Calculating the probability of a certain measurement

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of obtaining specific measurement values for angular momentum operators \(L^{2}\) and \(L_{z}\) from a given wave function expressed as a linear combination of spherical harmonics with complex coefficients. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to compute the probabilities associated with these measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the normalization of spherical harmonics and the implications for calculating the normalization constant \(A\). The original poster attempts to derive probabilities using inner products of the wave function with the spherical harmonics but questions the validity of their results when the probabilities do not sum to one.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the normalization conditions for spherical harmonics, with some participants suggesting that the original poster may have used a normalization that is orthogonal but not orthonormal. Guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of probabilities based on different normalization assumptions, and there is acknowledgment of the need for the probabilities to sum to one.

Contextual Notes

The original poster indicates potential confusion stemming from their undergraduate coursework, particularly regarding the calculation of probabilities from the wave function. There is a mention of the integration condition for normalization and the orthogonality of spherical harmonics, which are central to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


This really is not a homework problem but I am studying for the qualifying exam upcoming. I came across an objective that I am not familiar with. I'm given a wave function made of a linear combination of spherical harmonics with complex coefficients. I'm asked to calculate the possible values of measurement for [itex]L^{2}[/itex] and [itex]L_{z}[/itex] which is of course straight forward. What I am unsure of though is it asks me to calculate the probability of obtaining those values. Perhaps I missed this in my undergraduate coursework somehow, but I'll list the wavefunction.


Homework Equations


[itex]\psi=A[(1+2i)Y_{3}^{-3}+(2-i)Y_{3}^{2}+\sqrt{10}Y_{2}^{2}][/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I've already calculated the normalization constant A, and found it via integration and the orthogonality condition to be

[itex]A=\frac{1}{4}\sqrt{\frac{7}{6\pi}}[/itex]

I know the values of angular momentum [itex]L^{2}[/itex] are [itex]12\hbar^{2}[/itex] corresponding to [itex]\left|3,-3\right\rangle[/itex], and [itex]\left|3,2\right\rangle[/itex]. Also, [itex]6\hbar^{2}[/itex] corresponding to [itex]\left|2,2\right\rangle[/itex]. I am utterly lost on how to calculate this probability. I have tried this:

[itex]|\left\langle 3, m\right|A[(1+2i)\left|3,-3\right\rangle+(2-i)\left|3, 2\right\rangle+\sqrt{10}\left|2,2\right\rangle]|^{2}[/itex] for m = -3, 2

&

[itex]|\left\langle 2, 2\right|A[(1+2i)\left|3,-3\right\rangle+(2-i)\left|3, 2\right\rangle+\sqrt{10}\left|2,2\right\rangle]|^{2}[/itex]


This gives me values that do not add up to 1 as expected. Is this right, and if so perhaps I am doing it incorrectly? Any pointers would be appreciated.
 
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Usually the functions ##Y^m_l## are normalized so they form an orthonormal set. If so, I don't see how you got the value for ##A##.
 
TSny said:
Usually the functions ##Y^m_l## are normalized so they form an orthonormal set. If so, I don't see how you got the value for ##A##.

That is true but then how else would I calculate the value for A if not by the condition,

[itex]\int\int Y_{l'}^{m'}\bar{Y_{l}^{m}}d\Omega = \frac{4\pi}{2l+1}\delta_{l,l'}\delta_{m,m'}[/itex]

where [itex]d\Omega = sin(\theta)d\theta d\phi[/itex] for [itex]0≤\theta≤\pi[/itex], and [itex]0≤\phi≤2\pi[/itex] ?

The condition, as always, is to calculate [itex]\int |\psi|^{2} dV[/itex]=1 over all space, is it not? According to this, and by orthogonality of the spherical harmonics the cross terms will cancel and the resulting integration yields the number I obtained. Perhaps I miss-calculated something.
 
OK, you are using a normalization of the spherical harmonics such that they are orthogonal but not orthonormal. See here for some different choices of normalization. [EDIT: I agree with your result for A for your normalization.]

The answers for the individual probabilities will depend on how the functions ##Y^m_l## are assumed to be normalized in the statement of the problem. But, nevertheless, the sum of the probabilities should add to 1.

The probability for measuring ##L^2 = 6\hbar^2## would be ##\frac{|<2,2|\psi>|^2}{|<\psi|\psi>|^2|<2,2|2,2>|^2}## if ##|2,2>## denotes ##Y^2_2##.
 
TSny said:
OK, you are using a normalization of the spherical harmonics such that they are orthogonal but not orthonormal. See here for some different choices of normalization. [EDIT: I agree with your result for A for your normalization.]

The answers for the individual probabilities will depend on how the functions ##Y^m_l## are assumed to be normalized in the statement of the problem. But, nevertheless, the sum of the probabilities should add to 1.

The probability for measuring ##L^2 = 6\hbar^2## would be ##\frac{|<2,2|\psi>|^2}{|<\psi|\psi>|^2|<2,2|2,2>|^2}## if ##|2,2>## denotes ##Y^2_2##.

So it turns out I used the wrong normalization. In that case my normalization constant becomes

[itex]A=\frac{1}{2\sqrt{5}}[/itex]

Such that the probabilities become, 1/4 each for measuring the [itex]12\hbar^{2}[/itex] and 1/2 for measuring the [itex]6\hbar^{2}[/itex]. This of course adds up to 1 as expected. Thanks for your help!
 
Looks good!
 

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