Calculating the statistical properties of the given PDF

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The discussion revolves around calculating statistical properties such as the characteristic function, mean, and variance from a given probability density function (PDF). Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and specific examples, particularly focusing on uniform distributions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about methods to calculate the characteristic function, mean, and variance from a PDF, seeking resources or explanations.
  • Another participant provides standard formulas for the characteristic function and moments, indicating the relationship between variance and these moments.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the calculations for the characteristic function of a uniform distribution and attempts to derive the mean and variance.
  • There is a challenge to the correctness of the characteristic function derived by one participant, with another suggesting that it should depend on parameters rather than the variable x.
  • Some participants discuss the difficulty of finding relevant information in ordinary textbooks, indicating that their textbook's notation complicates understanding.
  • One participant mentions the relationship between Fourier transforms and convolutions, suggesting a deeper mathematical connection that is not fully understood by all participants.
  • Several participants express gratitude for assistance and indicate progress in solving the problem, though some remain uncertain about specific aspects of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the characteristic function derived from the uniform distribution. There are multiple competing views regarding the interpretation and application of formulas, and some participants express confusion about the mathematical concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their textbook's clarity and notation, which may affect their understanding of the discussed concepts. There is also an acknowledgment of unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the properties of Fourier transforms.

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For instance if we are given only a PDF in the form of ##p(x)##, how can one calculate the characteristic function, the mean, and the variance of these PDF's ?

Any site or explanation will be enough for me
 
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There are standard formulas given pdf ##f(x)##. Char. fcn. ##\phi(t)=\int_R e^{itx}f(x)dx##, moments ##m_k=\int_R x^kf(x)dx##, variance ##=m_2-m_1^2##.
 
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Arman777 said:
Any site or explanation
A textbook on statistics ?
 
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Okay I understand it. Thanks for the help
 
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Okay It seems that I did not or at least I thought I was. Let me take a uniform distribution in the form of ##p(x) = 1/2b##. The characteristic function is given by

$$p(k) = \frac{ie^{-ikx}}{2ak}$$

From here I want to calculate the mean and the variance as I have said before. I want to use this equation

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so I get

$$ln(\frac{ie^{-ikx}}{2ak}) = ik<x>_c - \frac{k<x^2>_c}{2}$$

$$ln(\frac{i}{2ak})-ikx = ik<x>_c - \frac{k<x^2>_c}{2}$$

but from here I don't know what to do..
 
Arman777 said:
Okay It seems that I did not or at least I thought I was.
...
as I have said before.
Sorry I missed that :wink: -- can't make much sense of the first one and don't believe the second

Interesting thing, this FT aspect of a pdf. Not much in ordinary textbooks, I grant you.I will switch to 'shut up and learn mode' after these comments:
Arman777 said:
The characteristic function is given by
$$p(k) = \frac{ie^{-ikx}}{2ak}$$
This can't be right:
##p(x) = 1/2b## suggests a uniform distribution from ##-b## to ##+b##
So I would expect (using ##\phi(t)##, not ##p(k)## which is confusing)
mathman said:
$$\phi(t)=\int_R e^{itx}f(x)dx$$
something that depends on ##k## and ##b##, but not on ##x## ! (Lazy me: ##\displaystyle{\sin bt\over bt} ##, which I now 'all of a sudden' recognize and remember :cool: -- from the FT world)

By the same token the ##\int x^n p(x)## goodies you want to derive from ##\ \phi(k)\ ## should be convolutions in the ##t## domain (right ?)

##\ ##
 
BvU said:
Not much in ordinary textbooks, I grant you.
Our textbook is really hard to understand since its not for starters..
BvU said:
p(x)=1/2b suggests a uniform distribution from −b to
Yes my mistake, sorry about that. But in our book the notation is p(k) so I cannot use ##\phi(t)##
 
BvU said:
By the same token the ∫xnp(x) goodies you want to derive from ϕ(k) should be convolutions in the t domain (right ?)
I don't know what this means
 
A property of Fourier transforms is that the transform of a product is a convolution vice versa.

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Okay, this time I really solved the problem. Thanks for the help.
 
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