Calculating Thermal Conductance with Excel

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the overall u-value for a wall with multiple layers using Excel, focusing particularly on determining the thermal conductance (alpha) which is influenced by various factors such as air speed and density. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of heat transfer, including conduction and convection, as well as the challenges in obtaining accurate values for thermal conductance under different conditions.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the formula for calculating the u-value and expresses difficulty in determining the thermal conductance due to its dependence on multiple factors.
  • Another participant suggests that in air, heat transfer may involve both conduction and convection, and notes that most heat transfer coefficients are derived from experimental data rather than a simple formula.
  • A different participant mentions specific thermal resistance values found in literature but questions the conditions under which these values were calculated, such as wind strength and temperature.
  • One participant proposes that computational fluid dynamics (CFD) could be used for calculations, highlighting the difference in heat transfer mechanisms inside and outside a building.
  • Another participant recommends using published correlations for determining heat transfer coefficients, cautioning that these correlations depend on specific parameters like Reynolds' number and are valid only within certain ranges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the methods for determining thermal conductance and the applicability of different approaches, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the best method or formula.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the dependence of thermal conductance on various environmental factors and the potential variability in published data, which may not apply universally.

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I'm using Excel to work out the overall u-value for a wall consisting of several layers. To do this the following formula is used:

[tex] U = {1 \over {{1 \over {\alpha _{outside} }} + {{t_1 } \over {\lambda _1 }} + ... + {{t_n } \over {\lambda _n }} + {1 \over {\alpha _{inside} }}}}[/tex]

It is the alpha (thermal conductance, W/m2*K) which turns out to be very difficult to determine. Apparently it is a function of many factors like air speed, density, kinematic viscosity etc. If anyone can assist me in finding a way to determine this value for a variety of circumstances, I'd really appreciate it!
 
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In air, it may be a combination of conduction and convection. Most heat transfer coefficients are determined from experiment from which a correlation may be developed or the data tabulated.

I don't believe there is a simple formula.
 
I've encountered values for the thermal resistance in litterature, which are 0,13 m2*K/W for inside, and 0,04 outside. The problem is that I don't know for which circumstances these are calculated. How strong winds, temp, etc. I'm hoping some kind of table excists that gives this value for varying circumstances.
 
These days, one would use computational fluid dynamics (CFD) to do calculations. I imagine inside, there is very little convection and the heat transfer is mostly conduction, whereas outside, especially with wind, convection is dominant, and the [itex]\Delta T[/itex] is greater than inside.

I'll look at my texts to see if there examples or simple formulas.

Russ Watters may some good information since (IIRC) he does heating (cooling?) systems.
 
Heat transfer coefficients

You can use published correlations for determining these. It is not very difficult to use the the formulas, but you have to be careful as the correlations are dependent on Reynolds' number or the Rayleigh number and are valid for a limited ranges.

One of the reference books I like is:

Holman, J. P., “Heat Transfer”, 9th Edition, McGraw Hill, New York, 2002. ISBN 0-07-240655-0.

Best wishes.

TSN79 said:
I'm using Excel to work out the overall u-value for a wall consisting of several layers. To do this the following formula is used:

[tex] U = {1 \over {{1 \over {\alpha _{outside} }} + {{t_1 } \over {\lambda _1 }} + ... + {{t_n } \over {\lambda _n }} + {1 \over {\alpha _{inside} }}}}[/tex]

It is the alpha (thermal conductance, W/m2*K) which turns out to be very difficult to determine. Apparently it is a function of many factors like air speed, density, kinematic viscosity etc. If anyone can assist me in finding a way to determine this value for a variety of circumstances, I'd really appreciate it!
 

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