Calculating Volume and Mass for Molarity Problems

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The discussion revolves around solving molarity problems involving the dilution of sulfuric acid and the neutralization of hydrochloric acid with calcium hydroxide. Participants explore the calculations necessary to determine the required volumes and masses in these chemical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a dilution problem involving a 1.0 M solution of H2SO4 and seeks to find the volume of water needed to achieve a 0.33 M solution, initially calculating a final volume of 136.4 mL.
  • Another participant suggests determining the total moles of HCl in a 2.24 M solution to find how much Ca(OH)2 is needed for neutralization.
  • Calculations for the moles of HCl yield 1783.04 moles, but discrepancies in mass calculations for Ca(OH)2 arise, leading to confusion about the correct approach.
  • One participant notes the importance of considering acid dissociation constants and suggests that assumptions about the reaction may not be obvious.
  • Another participant identifies computational errors in mass calculations and emphasizes the need for a balanced chemical equation for the neutralization reaction.
  • Final calculations lead to a mass of 131.944 kg of Ca(OH)2, which is confirmed to be consistent with the expected answer of 66 kg when considering the stoichiometry of the reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and assumptions needed for the problems. While some agree on the methods used, others challenge the accuracy of the computations and suggest alternative approaches. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the assumptions about acid dissociation and its implications for the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential missing assumptions regarding the acid dissociation constants and the need for a balanced chemical equation, which may affect the calculations. The discussion reflects uncertainty in the application of these concepts to the problems at hand.

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Homework Statement



What volume of water must be added to 45.0 mL of a 1.0 M solution of H2SO4 in order to create a 0.33 M H2SO4 solution?
answer:91.4 mL

vat contains 2.24 M hydrochloric acid solution. How many kg of Ca(OH)2 will be required to react completely (neutralize) 796 L of the solution?
answer:66

Homework Equations



mv=mv

The Attempt at a Solution



for the first one, i tried using mv=mv, but noticed that it wouldn't make sense just plugging in the numbers directly b/c of the problem's wording

for the second one, I'm not sure how to start it
 
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In regards to your first question: what did you determine to be the final volume of the 0.33 M H2SO4 solution?

A good starting point for the second question is this: figure out how many moles of HCl you have in the vat then determine how many moles of Ca(OH)2 will be required to neutralize them.
 
for the first one:
45*1=.33*x
x=136.4mL
ahh! i see now, subtract 45 from it

for the second one

M = moles/volume
moles = 2.24*796=1783.04mol
mols*(g/mol) = g = 1783.04/74 = 24g
dont get the right answer..not sure what i did wrong there
 
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I agree with your math used to determine the total mass of 1783.04 moles of Ca(OH)2:

moles Ca(OH)2 * g/moles = g of Ca(OH)2

but your calculations shown are off.

But this mass of base will not lead you to the right answer. Go back to the neutralization reaction (this should have been the first thing you did) and see if this gives you some ideas. I believe that the problem assumes something that may not be obvious. As a first hint, look at the acid dissociation constants (pKa values) of each proton in H2SO4. This may point you to a simplifying assumption (accurate or not) that will lead you to the given answer.
 
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hmm, I'm not too sure what the acid dissociation constants are (as in: we haven't studied that yet(?)) but something i noticed between what i came up with and the answer is is that 66/24 = 2.75. hopefully that's significant...not sure where that comes from though
 
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The first mistake your a making is only a computational one. Try going back to your equation mol * g/mol = g and running your numbers again. I agree that there are 1783.04 moles of HCl in the vat and that the molecular weight of Ca(OH)2 is 74 g/mol.

The second mistake will be easier to find if you write out a balanced chemical reaction for the neutralization. This will take the form of aA + bB → cS + dH20 where a, b, c, and d are integer values, A is the acid, B is the base, and S is the salt (byproduct).
 
ah ok
first mistake was a dumb one
1783.04*74=131944.96 g Ca(OH)2

then for the second part, 131944.96 g is 131.944 kg
from the equation, 1 Ca(OH)2 : 2 HCl (...i guess i also could have done this part earlier when i had mols HCl)
132/2 = 66kg

thanks for your help!
 

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