Calculating Water Volume from Molar Concentration of NaCH3COO

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of water used when dissolving 2.8 g of sodium acetate (NaCH3COO) to achieve a concentration of 4.3 * 10-2 M. Participants explore the implications of molarity and the relationship between the volume of the solution and the volume of water, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of the calculation.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated the molar mass of NaCH3COO as 82.0 g/mol, leading to a determination of 0.034 mol and subsequently calculated the volume as 0.79 L using the equation c = n/V.
  • There is confusion regarding whether the calculated volume (0.79 L) refers to the volume of the solution or the volume of water used, with a suggestion that it likely represents the volume of the solution.
  • Another participant proposed that the volume of water could be estimated by assuming the volume contribution from sodium acetate is negligible compared to the water volume, or by calculating the combined volume of sodium acetate and water if the density of sodium acetate is known.
  • Discussion includes considerations of precision and uncertainty in measurements, with a mention of percent errors in the weight of sodium acetate and molarity affecting the volume calculation.
  • A later reply suggested that knowing the density of the solution would allow for determining the mass of the solution and, subsequently, the volume of water used.
  • It was noted that at 20°C, the density of a 0.043 M sodium acetate solution is approximately 1.0000 g/mL, which is slightly higher than that of pure water.
  • Participants discussed the general assumption that the density of most solutions can be approximated as 1 g/mL when specific data is unavailable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the calculated volume likely refers to the volume of the solution rather than just the water. However, there is no consensus on the exact method to calculate the volume of water used, with multiple approaches and assumptions being proposed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlighted limitations related to the precision of measurements and the assumptions made regarding the density of the solution and the contributions of solute volume.

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Homework Statement


2.8 g of NaCH3COO is dissolved into an unknown volume. The resulting concentration produced is 4.3 * 10-2 M, what volume of water was used?

Homework Equations


c = n/V

The Attempt at a Solution


I[/B] calculated molar mass of the NaCH3COO as 82.0 g/mol, which is 0.034 mol. I then used the c = n/V equation.

4.3 * 10-2 M = 0.034 mol / V
V = 0.79 L

Where I am confused now is if that is the volume of the solution, or of the water? I think it's the volume of solution, and am not sure how to calculate the water.
 
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Nicole1998 said:

Homework Statement


2.8 g of NaCH3COO is dissolved into an unknown volume. The resulting concentration produced is 4.3 * 10-2 M, what volume of water was used?

Homework Equations


c = n/V

The Attempt at a Solution


I[/B] calculated molar mass of the NaCH3COO as 82.0 g/mol, which is 0.034 mol. I then used the c = n/V equation.

4.3 * 10-2 M = 0.034 mol / V
V = 0.79 L

Where I am confused now is if that is the volume of the solution, or of the water? I think it's the volume of solution, and am not sure how to calculate the water.

You are correct that molarity refers to moles solute per volume of solution. You could estimate a volume of water in a number of ways:
Estimate that the volume contribution from the sodium acetate is small compared to the volume of the water and say that the volume of water is the same as the volume of solution. You could estimate the total volume if you estimated that the total volume was the combined volume of sodium acetate plus volume of water (you could calculate the volume of sodium acetate if you looked up the density of the sodium acetate in the CRC Handbook. If you wanted to calculate the volume of water exactly, you would need to know the partial molar volumes of each species at this concentration.

Now, think about how much precision you have in your numbers, and think about which method of approximation is appropriate. [The percent error in the weight of sodium acetate is 3% and the percent error in the molarity is 2% -- the percent error in the volume will be 3%]. V = 790 mL +/- 30 mL

Since the uncertainty in the volume is pretty big, what kind of assumptions would you be safe making in order to calculate the volume of water used?
 
If you knew the density of a 0.043 molar solution of NaCH3COO in water, then you would know the total number of grams of solution in 0.79 L. Since there are 2.8 gm of NaCH3COO, the rest would be water. You could then look up the density of water at that temperature, and determine the volume of the water before the solution was mixed.

Chet
 
At 20°C density of the 0.043 M sodium acetate solution is 1.0000 g/mL (that's a little bit higher than pure water, 0.9982 g/mL at the same temperature).

In general, you can safely assume density of most solutions to be 1 g/mL. That's not exactly true, but it is better than nothing when you have no other data. And before you will be forced to use density tables, you will probably get some intuition about when it matters.
 

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