Calculus problem find the equation of the line given two points

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a line connecting two points on the curve f(x) = 1/x, specifically at points Pa and Qa, where the x-coordinates are a and a+1, respectively. Participants are also exploring the area between the curve and the line, as well as limits related to this area function A(a).

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the slope of the line connecting the two points and the subsequent formulation of the line's equation. There are attempts to set up the area between the curve and the line using integrals, with questions about the correctness of the expressions and the handling of logarithmic terms.

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There is ongoing exploration of the area function A(a) and its limits as a approaches 0 and infinity. Some participants are providing guidance on ensuring the accuracy of the equations and integrals, while others are questioning the signs and simplifications in the expressions for A(a).

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Consider the curve f(x) = 1/x
Consider two points on f(x): Pa and Qa, where the x-coordinate of Pa is a, and the x-coordinate of Qa is a+1.
Let La be the line connecting Pa and Qa

1.) Find the equation for La
2.) Find a formula that expresses A(a) = the area between f(x) and La
3.) Determine lim(a-->∞) A(a) and lim(a-->0) A(a)
4.) Does A(a) have an extremum for 0 < a? If yes, determine if it's a minimum or maximu (or neither?), and what value of A(a) is at the extremum.

Extra: Redo the problem, where the x-coordinate of Qa is a^2Okay, so I know that the coordinate of Pa is (a, 1/a) and I know that the coordinate of Qa is (a+1, 1/a+1). So, you have the equation for the line y=mx+b. So, the slope would be [(1/a+1)-(1/a)] / [(a+1)-(a)], which would simplify down to m = -(1) / (a^2+a). Correct? How do I go on from here?
 
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Remember back to your Pre-Calc days... you have the slope and a point on the line. Is there a formula that can combine the two to get the equation of a line?
 
Right, well I know the equation y-y1=m(x-x1).
So, I would have: y-(1/a)=(-1 / a^2+a)*(x-a) ---> y=(-x / a^2+a)+(a / a^2+a)+(1/a).
Right? Or... y=(-x / a^2+a)+(2a+1 / a(a+1))
Which would imply that:
y = (2a+1-x)/(a^2+a)
Right?
 
Just be careful with your equations when posting online. Try to remember to use brackets. I know that you intended for your final equation to look like

[itex]y = \displaystyle\frac{-x}{a^{2}+a} + \frac{2a+1}{a^{2}+a}[/itex]


And I just saw you updated your post, your final answer is fine (the brackets are good) but it would be better to split up the x term and the constant term (it'll be easier to integrate that way). The equation you had before was good, just be careful about parentheses.
 
Okay...
So, when setting up this area equation... would it simply be the the integral of -(x / a^2+a)+(2a+1 / a^2+a) dx - integral of 1/x dx [from x=a to x=a+1]?

Okay, doing that, I get that the function for the area between La and f(x) is:

A(a) = (2a+1 / 2a^2+2a) - ln(a+1) - ln(a)

Is this correct?
 
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That is how you set it up, I don't think your final answer is correct though, let me check...

I think you might have forgotten to distribute a negative sign when taking the integral, the natural logs aren't right. Try again and see what you come up with.
 
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O'Fearraigh said:
Okay...
So, when setting up this area equation... would it simply be the the integral of -(x / a^2+a)+(2a+1 / a^2+a) dx - integral of 1/x dx [from x=a to x=a+1]?

Okay, doing that, I get that the function for the area between La and f(x) is:

A(a) = (2a+1 / 2a^2+2a) - ln(a+1) - ln(a)

Is this correct?

Use brackets! Is A(a) = (2a+1)/(2a^2+2a) - ln(a+1)-ln(a), or is it what you actually *wrote*, which would be [tex]A(a) = 2a + \frac{1}{2a^2} + 2a - \ln(a+1) - \ln(a)[/itex]? <br /> <br /> RGV[/tex]
 
Yes, A(a) = (2a+1)/(2a^2+2a) - ln(a+1) - ln(a)

or is it

A(a) = (2a+1)/(2a^2+2a) - ln(a+1) + ln(a) ?
 
The second answer is what I got, and you can simplify that further if you like (properties of logs).

You still seem unsure about the sign of the last logarithm. How come?
 
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I don't know... I just copied that from my first try.
Anyway, would the reduced equation be:
A(a) = (2a+1)/(2a^2+2a) + ln[(a)/(a+1)] ?
 
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Yes, that's the right answer, but if you are unsure, you should go back and redo your work so you know why that is the right answer; i.e. convince yourself it is the right answer.
 
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No, I see what I did originally: I didn't carry the minus sign over.
Okay, so now that we have a function for A(a), how do the limits work?

We have:

(a) lim[a→∞]
(b) lim[a→0]

I got

lim[a→∞] = 0
lim[a→0] = ∞

Is that correct?
 

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