Can 0^(ia) Have a Definite Solution for Positive Real a?

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The discussion centers on the mathematical expression 0^(ia) and its implications for positive real values of a. Participants clarify that 0^0 is an indeterminate form, which can yield either 1 or 0 depending on the context. They emphasize the importance of limits, particularly the limit of e^(x ln x) as x approaches 0, which converges to 1. The conversation highlights the need for precision in mathematical definitions, particularly regarding the logarithm of zero, which is undefined.

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Can there be a definite solution for positive real values of a?

My musings so far:

[tex]0^{ix} = e^{ix\ln0} = (\cos x + i\sin x)^{\ln0} = ( \cos x + i\sin x )^{-\infty} = \left( e^{-\infty} \right)^\ln( \cos x + i\sin x ) } = 0^{\ln( \cos x + i\sin x )}[/tex]

Since 0^0 can be assigned to produce either 1 or 0 depending on the context and for non-zero real values 0^a is always zero, I'm wondering how to deal with this.

Consider the following:

[tex]0^0 = e^{0\ln 0} = \left( e^0 \right)^{\ln 0} = 1^{-\infty} = 1[/tex]
for [tex]1^a = 1[/tex] for all real numbers a

[tex]0^{a+bi} = e^{(a+bi)\ln0} = e^{a\ln0}(...) = \left (e^{-\infty} \right) ^a (...) = 0^a (...) = 0(...) = 0[/tex]
for [tex]0^a = 0[/tex] for a belongs to non-zero real,
hence 0 for all real a,b>0 combinations.

Please share your expertise!

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What are you asking :S? Are you asking why 0^0 is 0 is some cases and 1 in others?

My two cents; In your first line of working, we can get from the first term to the last term in almost one step, knowing exp(ix) = cos x + i sin x. That way, we can avoid dealing with your negative infinities :(

On the second line of working, same thing.

Rather than say [tex]e^{0 \ln 0[/tex], which has no meaning, take the limit as x ---> 0, of [tex]e^{x \ln x}[/tex]. If you have studied about the order of magnitude of functions, you will know that as x --> 0, f(x) = x goes to zero much faster than g(x) = ln x, goes to negative infinity. The limit is 1. And yes, once again, we avoid the infinites =]

I'm not too sure what happened in the third line of working, could you perhaps post that in full? Thanks
 
First, 00 is not "0 in some cases" and "1 in others". 00 is not defined. Often we are really dealing with limits of the form f(x)g(x), f and g both having limit 0. In many useful cases, those limits are 0 or 1.

Second, your calculation breaks down as soon as you assert that [itex]ln(0)= -\infty[/itex]. That is also not true. ln(0) is not defined- it is no number at all. It is true that in the limit, as x goes to 0, ln(x) "goes to [itex]-\infty[/itex]", but you cannot say that it is equal to that. Once you start using "shorthand" as if it were the real thing, it's no surprise you run into difficulties.
 

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