Can a Bullet Break a Bike Chain at 6m Underwater?

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The discussion revolves around the scenario of a bullet being fired into a swimming pool from a distance of 6 meters and whether it has enough force to break a bike chain submerged underwater. The focus is on the energy dispersion of the bullet in water rather than precise measurements.

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  • Participants discuss the kinetic energy loss of bullets in water, noting that handgun bullets lose most energy within the first 30 cm, while some rifle bullets may retain minimal energy after 100 cm. There is also mention of experimental evidence from Mythbusters regarding projectile behavior in water.

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Participants are exploring various interpretations of the bullet's effectiveness underwater, referencing experimental findings and questioning the reliability of those findings. There is an ongoing dialogue about the implications of the Mythbusters episode and how it relates to the original question.

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Some participants express skepticism about using Mythbusters as a reliable source, while others suggest that the experimental approach taken by the show is valuable. There is also a mention of a typographical error regarding bullet caliber, which has been acknowledged and will be corrected.

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A man fires a bullet into a swimming pool.

There is a distance of 6m from the gun to the bottom of the pool.

Does the bullet have enough force through the water to break an average bike chain - which is holding a person captive to the bottom.

(Obviously this is more about believability in energy dispersion than ultra accurate measurements)
 
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Bullets lose most or all of their kinetic energy in the first 30-100 cm of water. Handgun bullets don't have much left after 30 cm. A pointy rifle bullet that does not tumble may have a tiny bit of energy left after penetrating 100 cm of water.
 
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Mythbusters did an episode on this and found as Dr Courtney has said, the projectiles don't travel very far into the water and the projectiles tended to break up ( angle of penetration of the projectile into the water has some effect)

The tried hand guns, rifles and even a hi powered 50 calibre gun, the effect was pretty much the same for all of them

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mythbusters,+firing+guns+into+pool&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=D76E9A00B7A63A7A9A16D76E9A00B7A63A7A9A16cheers
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I love Mythbusters and their enthusiasm for experimental approaches to questions. But, I'm not sure I would cite their episodes as reliable answers. They did get this one right though, and it was a great episode. One of the project ideas I like to pose to students is picking 10 mythbuster episodes, designing experiments to test the same questions they test, and seeing how many of the 10 experiments yield the same answers.
 
Dr. Courtney said:
I love Mythbusters and their enthusiasm for experimental approaches to questions. But, I'm not sure I would cite their episodes as reliable answers. They did get this one right though, and it was a great episode. One of the project ideas I like to pose to students is picking 10 mythbuster episodes, designing experiments to test the same questions they test, and seeing how many of the 10 experiments yield the same answers.

What is the verification percentage? I'm curious... :smile:
 
berkeman said:
What is the verification percentage? I'm curious... :smile:

Me too. Unfortunately, our students keep picking projects more likely to yield peer-reviewed publications and win science fairs instead of the really interesing ones like testing Mythbusters accuracy percentage. I would guess 70-90% (based on my experience in overlapping areas like blast and ballistics.)
 
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davenn said:
even a hi powered 50mm calibre gun
To clarify, it was a .50 caliber (0.5 inch diameter bullet) gun, not a 50mm, which is a cannon (MUCH bigger weapon).
 
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thanks for pointing out my type :)

will correct
 
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