Can a Planet Leave Its Orbit Without External Forces?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of whether a planet can leave its orbit around a star solely due to gravitational forces, without any external influences. Participants explore concepts related to orbital mechanics, energy conservation, and the definitions of planetary motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that planetary orbits decay over time due to net forces and questions if a planet can leave its orbit under the influence of only its star's gravity.
  • Another participant argues that a planet cannot leave its orbit without external forces, stating that total energy must remain constant for an object in orbit.
  • A third participant reiterates that a planet would not be considered a planet if it could leave its orbit without external forces, emphasizing that some force is required to alter its orbital path.
  • One participant introduces the idea that a significant reduction in the star's gravitational influence could allow a planet to leave its orbit.
  • Another participant mentions that tidal interactions due to the Sun's angular velocity could affect planetary orbits, although they expect this effect to be weak.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether a planet can leave its orbit without external forces, with multiple competing views presented regarding the conditions necessary for a planet to change its orbital state.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as energy conservation, definitions of planetary motion, and the effects of external forces like tidal interactions and atmospheric friction, but these concepts remain unresolved in the context of the discussion.

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I've got a pretty simple question, and it may sound dumb, but I'm going to ask it anyway:

First, I'll preface by saying that from what I understand (and please verify or correct me), planetary orbit in a star system decays over time a la net force. I also have come to understand that the planet will either be pulled into the star or take on an elliptical path around the star (again, please correct me if I'm wrong.)

My question is this: if these are true, is there any way that a planet can leave orbit, acted only upon by the gravity of the star it orbits, without any other forces interfering?
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by "ala net force". The only way an orbit can decay is through friction with atoms, molecules, or other objects in its path. Nor do I understand what you mean by "take on an elliptical path". All objects orbiting in the solar system are in elliptical paths.

As for your question, no. As long as the total energy of the object stays the same, the planet will remain in its orbit. And the only way friction can can change total energy is to reduce it- and if an object is already in orbit, it would need greater energy, not less, to leave orbit and escape the gravitational influence.
 
As above, no.

To elaborate we need to look at your question again:

neurotikfisch said:
First, I'll preface by saying that from what I understand (and please verify or correct me), planetary orbit in a star system decays over time a la net force. I also have come to understand that the planet will either be pulled into the star or take on an elliptical path around the star (again, please correct me if I'm wrong.)

My question is this: if these are true, is there any way that a planet can leave orbit, acted only upon by the gravity of the star it orbits, without any other forces interfering?

Now we have to look at the word planet... A planet is defined as an object that is massive enough to have it's self-gravity form the planet into a near spherical shape, it must orbit in a clear path around it's star and hold the orbit should anything fall in its path.

So it would not be a planet if it was able to leave the orbit without any kind of external force and it would take some force to get a planet out of orbit.

The only way a planet may leave an orbit is if the gravity of it's star is majorly reduced for some reason.

If you want to look at orbital decay in basic form you will be best looking at satellites whose orbits do decay due to their having to battle with forces such as solar winds and atmospheric particles.
 
The Sun's angular velocity is much higher than planetary angular velocity. That means tidal interactions will make planetary orbits rise due to tidal interactions. But I don't expect it to be a very strong effect.
 

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