Can a simulation hypothesis simulate quantum physics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the simulation hypothesis and its implications for quantum physics. Participants explore whether the hypothesis can be scientifically validated or refuted, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics and the nature of reality.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the ability to refute the simulation hypothesis, arguing that negatives cannot be disproven, such as the existence of a deceiving entity or alternate realities.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of simulating a universe given the limitations of atoms and energy, with some participants suggesting that no reputable sources support the idea of such a simulation.
  • One participant cites a source from the University of Oxford, asserting that it indicates a simulated universe cannot replicate all aspects of reality.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that the simulation hypothesis is more philosophical than scientific, implying that it may not be resolvable through scientific means.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the capability of computers to simulate quantum mechanics, with a specific mention of quantum field theory (QFT).
  • There is a suggestion that the laws of physics could be simulated in a way that renders the simulation itself impossible, raising questions about the nature of such a simulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit multiple competing views regarding the simulation hypothesis, with no consensus reached on its validity or implications for quantum physics. The discussion remains unresolved, with various perspectives presented without definitive conclusions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the speculative nature of the arguments presented and the lack of peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support claims made in the discussion.

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From the point of view of science and physics, is the simulation hypothesis true? What is the scientific refutation of this hypothesis? What do physicists say about this?
 
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You can't refute negatives(e.g. that there is no demon deceiving us or brain in a vat scenarios or God or some other noise). It is the arguments that count in the discussions. These are the reasons why this hypothesis is too far fetched and this thread will likely be locked if you don't lay out arguments which can be tested. Even from the point of view of 19th century physics this hypothesis could not be refuted for the reasons stated above.
 
EPR said:
You can't refute negatives(e.g. that there is no demon deceiving us or brain in a vat scenarios or God or some other noise). It is the arguments that count in the discussions. These are the reasons why this hypothesis is too far fetched and this thread will likely be locked if you don't lay out arguments which can be tested. Even from the point of view of 19th century physics this hypothesis could not be refuted for the reasons stated above.
But what about the lack of atoms and energy for such a simulation?
 
Endypanzer said:
But what about the lack of atoms and energy for such a simulation?

No reputable source will say this.
 
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Endypanzer said:
From the point of view of science and physics, is the simulation hypothesis true? What is the scientific refutation of this hypothesis? What do physicists say about this?

From the perspective of science, this is a philosophical or religious question and there are no scientific issues. In other words: If you don't know the difference between you being a conscious person, or being a computer program emulating you, I don't think any scientific experiment or theory will help you to decide. :smile:

See also this idea, which is just as "reasonable" as any simulation hypothesis: Last Thursdayism
 
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If we do not ask too much to computers they are able to simulate quantum mechanics. (i am not sure for QFT).
 
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EPR said:
You can't refute negatives(e.g. that there is no demon deceiving us or brain in a vat scenarios or God or some other noise). It is the arguments that count in the discussions. These are the reasons why this hypothesis is too far fetched and this thread will likely be locked if you don't lay out arguments which can be tested. Even from the point of view of 19th century physics this hypothesis could not be refuted for the reasons stated above.
According to our laws of physics, is such a simulation possible?
 
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Johnny5454 said:
According to our laws of physics, is such a simulation possible?

According to the hypothesis our laws of physics are simulated and count for nothing.

You could, for example, create a simulation where the laws of physics in the simulation made such a simulation impossible.
 
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We are far from any sound models in this thread. It's far too speculative. Hence I close this thread.

As always: If someone has a peer reviewed related paper from a serious scientific journal, please contact a mentor to possibly re-open the thread. Thank you for participation.
 

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