Can a star with a black hole core be stable?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the stability of a star with a black hole core, exploring whether such an object can maintain stability over time or if it would inevitably lead to variability, mass loss, or a supernova event. The scope includes theoretical considerations and speculative models related to astrophysics.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if a small black hole were to fall into a star or brown dwarf, it might initiate accretion and fusion in a shell around it, raising questions about the stability of such an object over time.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of a quasistar, hypothesizing that an object similar to the one described would likely be unstable and not last long before all gas was accreted.
  • A different viewpoint discusses the lack of orbital motion in the gas of a star, arguing that without sufficient angular momentum, the gas would fall into the gravitational potential, leading to collapse into a black hole.
  • There is a query about the distinction between the discussed object and a Thorne-Zytkow object, focusing on the absence of a solid surface.
  • One participant clarifies that the discussion does not involve a solid surface, emphasizing that the key issue is the lack of opposing pressure to balance gravitational forces.
  • A later reply raises the possibility that, given rotation, the 'star' might collapse into an accretion disk.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stability of a star with a black hole core, with no consensus reached on whether such an object can be stable or would inevitably collapse.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding pressure, gravitational forces, and angular momentum, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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If a small black hole were to fall into a star or brown dwarf, presumably it would initiate accretion and fusion in a shell around it.

Can such an object be stable over any decent timescale, or would it undergo variability/significant mass loss/supernova?
 
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There's a hypothesised object called a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasistar" , which is thought to be a large black hole surrounded by a cloud of gas, which sounds somewhat similar to what you are looking for. They are a candidate for supermassive black hole formations. I suspect an object identical to the one you describe would be unstable, and probably wouldn't last very long, before all the gas was accreted.
 
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Since the gas composing a star is not in orbit around the center of mass, but rather held there by pressure, once you remove that pressure at the middle of the star there is no method to halt all the gas from simply falling into the gravitational potential. So, unless there was some method of acquiring enough angular momentum in the outer gas shells to actually achieve an orbit, such an object would inevitably collapse into a simple black hole.
 
So you're saying that the key distinction between this and a Thorne-Zytkow object is the lack of a solid surface on a black hole?
 
What? None of what is being discussed involves a solid surface on anything.
 
russ_watters said:
What? None of what is being discussed involves a solid surface on anything.

Well, I do see where he got that from what I said. In essence, a solid surface corresponds to some kind of pressure holding the object together and preventing gravitational collapse (the word solid is used loosely). I don't like the wording there though, the real key thing is there is no opposing pressure to balance gravitation.
 
Uh, given rotation, I must wonder if the 'star' would collapse into an accretion disk...
 

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