Can Absolute Value Property be Proven for Real Numbers x and y?

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The discussion revolves around proving the absolute value property for real numbers, specifically the inequality |x+y| ≤ |x| + |y|. Participants are exploring the conditions under which this inequality holds, particularly when x and y have different signs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss different cases based on the signs of x and y, particularly focusing on scenarios where one number is positive and the other is negative. Questions arise about the validity of certain inequalities derived from these cases.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the inequality x-y > x+y, with participants questioning the assumptions behind this statement. Some guidance has been offered in the form of examples to clarify the relationship between the variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with specific cases and definitions, particularly regarding the comparison of -y and y, and how these relate to the proof of the absolute value property. There is a noted confusion that has been acknowledged by one participant.

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Homework Statement


Prove that for every two real numbers x and y
##|x+y| \leq |x| + |y| ##

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The Attempt at a Solution



There are three cases. The easiest ones is when they are both positive and negative.
The third one I have problems with.
The numbers have different sign. Say x>0 and y<0
Divide this into two subcases:
case 3.1
## x+y \geq 0#### |x| +|y| = x+(-y) = x-y##
Now, so far so good, but my book states the following.
## |x| +|y| = x+(-y) = x-y > x+y = |x+y|##
How is it possible that x-y be ever greater than x+y?

case 3.2
## x+y < 0 ##
This one is easy too.
 
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knowLittle said:
How is it possible that x-y be ever greater than x+y?

If -y &gt; y, so that 0 &gt; 2y, ie. y &lt; 0.
 
## -y > y ## would be false even if ## y<0##. They would be equal not greater than each other.

I don't see the connection to the proof. Thanks for trying.
 
knowLittle said:
## -y > y ## would be false even if ## y<0##. They would be equal not greater than each other.

Let y = -1. Do you agree that -y = -(-1) = 1 &gt; -1 = y?
 
knowLittle said:

Homework Statement


Prove that for every two real numbers x and y
##|x+y| \leq |x| + |y| ##


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



There are three cases. The easiest ones is when they are both positive and negative.
The third one I have problems with.
The numbers have different sign. Say x>0 and y<0
Divide this into two subcases:
case 3.1
## x+y \geq 0##


## |x| +|y| = x+(-y) = x-y##
Now, so far so good, but my book states the following.
## |x| +|y| = x+(-y) = x-y > x+y = |x+y|##
How is it possible that x-y be ever greater than x+y?

case 3.2
## x+y < 0 ##
This one is easy too.

"How is it possible that x-y be ever greater than x+y?" Try x = 1 and y = -1. What is x-y? What is x+y?
 
Thank you, I was confused.
 

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