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Would we be able to see anything else? Or would the air just block out the view of anything else?
The discussion revolves around the visibility of air and the conditions under which it can be perceived. Participants explore the nature of light interaction with air, including scattering and refractive effects, and consider evolutionary aspects related to human vision. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and technical explanations related to optics and atmospheric science.
Participants express differing views on whether air can be seen directly or only through its effects on light. There is no consensus on the nature of visibility concerning air, with multiple competing perspectives presented throughout the discussion.
Limitations include the dependence on definitions of visibility and the conditions under which light interacts with air. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of how air's refractive properties influence perception.
turbo said:Actually, we are evolved not to see air. Mirages and shimmering over heat sources are not "seeing" air - they are effects of changes in the refractive properties of air.
We can see these materials because they differ in refractive index from air, and exhibit some reflectivity at their surfaces. The way we "see" air is primarily from refractive effects due to temperature gradients. Go out at night and look at stars that twinkle. Are you "seeing" air, or are you seeing the effects of temperature gradients in air on the light-path from the star to your eye?obafgkmrns said:Perhaps you argue that we similarly can't see water or glass?
turbo said:We can see these materials because they differ in refractive index from air, and exhibit some reflectivity at their surfaces. The way we "see" air is primarily from refractive effects due to temperature gradients. Go out at night and look at stars that twinkle. Are you "seeing" air, or are you seeing the effects of temperature gradients in air on the light-path from the star to your eye?