Can Amonium Poly Cret be Used in Water-Based Paints? Benefits Explained

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The discussion revolves around the use of ammonium polyacrylate in water-based paints, specifically comparing it to carboxymethylcellulose (CMC) and hydroxyethylcellulose (HEC) as thickeners. Participants explore the benefits related to flow properties, rheology, and leveling in paint formulations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether ammonium polyacrylate can replace CMC or HEC in water-based paints and asks about the benefits regarding flow properties, rheology, and leveling.
  • Another participant requests clarification on terminology, suggesting that "ammonium poly cret" likely refers to ammonium polyacrylate and that CMC and HEC are also abbreviated terms.
  • A participant confirms the correct terminology regarding the materials in question.
  • It is noted that thickeners are essential for keeping pigments suspended and preventing sagging while allowing for good flow and mixing. Ammonium acrylates can potentially replace CMC and HEC, but the term 'ammonium acrylate' lacks specificity without knowing the exact copolymer used.
  • Participants emphasize the importance of understanding the compatibility of ingredients in formulations and suggest consulting manufacturers for detailed information about the advantages and limitations of these materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for clarification of terms and the importance of understanding the specific properties of thickeners. However, there is no consensus on the specific advantages or limitations of using ammonium polyacrylate compared to CMC and HEC.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the proprietary nature of copolymers and the potential variability in their properties, which may affect compatibility and performance in formulations.

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Can i used amonium poly cret in place of cmc or hec in water based paints?
what beneft give flow property? rehelogy & leveling?
 
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You need to better define your terms. I assume you mean ammonium polyacrylate (poly cret?) and carboxymethylcellulose (cmc?) and hydroxyethylcellulose (hec?)?
 
yes, that is correct
 
Thickeners of any type are used to keep the pigment suspended and to prevent sag while thinning sufficiently to allow for easy mixing and good flow. The ammonium acrylates can be used in place of CMC and HEC thickeners but the term 'ammonium acrylate' is not a sufficient descriptor to give you any specific information. These acrylates are usually available as a copolymer specifically manufactured for specific applications. The exact nature of the copolymer is usually proprietary in nature. If you are modifying an existing formulation, the compatibility of each of the ingredients with the acrylic will have to be determined.

No one knows the advantages and limitations of these materials better than the manufacturer so perhaps you should start there. BF Goodrich (search Carbapol), Rohm-Haas (search Acrysol), Archem (search Arcosperse).
 

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