Can anyone identify the approximation used in this solution?

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The discussion revolves around identifying an approximation used in a physics problem related to gas behavior and volume considerations. Participants are analyzing a specific step in a solution to understand the underlying assumptions and approximations made in the context of large particle numbers.

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  • Participants explore the nature of the approximation, with some suggesting it relates to a geometric series, while others clarify the specific form of the approximation used. Questions arise regarding the validity of the approximation for large values of N and the implications of simplifying N-1 to N.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the approximations involved and questioning their validity under certain conditions. There is recognition of differing perspectives on the assumptions, particularly regarding the size of N and the conditions under which the approximations hold.

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Participants note that the approximation is valid under the assumption that the volume excluded by gas molecules is much less than the total volume of the system. This context is crucial for understanding the limits of the approximation discussed.

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I am trying to follow the reasoning of the last problem in the set linked below. I can't figure out what approximation they used in step 24. Thanks.

http://www.physics.fsu.edu/courses/spring08/phy5524/sol1.pdf

It looks like it might be an approximation based on a geometric series, but there is no summation.
 
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They're using the approximation ##\frac 1 {1-x} \approx 1+x##, or even more appropriately, ##1+x \approx \frac 1 {1-x}## where ##x=\frac {N-1}2 \frac {v_0} V##.
 
There is a summation at step 20.
The approximation comes in at 21-22

But you want to know how you go from $$\frac{P}{k_BT}\simeq \frac{1}{V-(N-1)v_0/2}$$ to $$\frac{P}{k_BT}\simeq \frac{1}{V-Nv_0/2}$$ ... well ##(N-1)x \simeq Nx## if ##x<<Nx## right? Presumably N is a very big number?

[edit] DH has it formally :)
 
Thanks for your help! DH, I assume that approximation is only valid for small x correct? It seems as if N is very large, then the approximation wouldn't be a good one.
 
Hmmm... I didn't check it properly.
We seem to be saying different things after all - I am pointing out that for large ##N##, ##N - 1 \approx N##.

You can get some very hokey-looking approximations in physics.
 
foldylocks said:
Thanks for your help! DH, I assume that approximation is only valid for small x correct? It seems as if N is very large, then the approximation wouldn't be a good one.
Yes, N is large, which makes step 25 valid, where N-1 is simplified to N. The assumption that makes step 24 valid is that ##Nv_0 \ll V##. In other words, this assumption says the volume excluded by all of the gas molecules is much less than the total volume of the system.
 

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