Can black holes absorb at an infinite rate?

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical behavior of black holes when interacting with massive objects, specifically whether a black hole can absorb matter at an infinite rate. Participants explore the implications of a continuous stream of stellar matter and the effects of momentum and gravitational forces as objects approach the event horizon.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a scenario where a long rod of hard metal, nearly the size of a black hole's event horizon, is rammed into the black hole at near light speed, questioning whether it would be fully absorbed or if some would pass through due to momentum.
  • Another participant asserts that the rod would not pass through the event horizon, suggesting that its momentum would be transferred to the black hole.
  • A question is raised about the nature of energy conversion as the rod crosses the horizon, specifically whether this occurs instantaneously.
  • Participants discuss the visual effects of an object approaching the event horizon, speculating on whether the end of the rod would appear to stop while the rest continues moving at high speed.
  • One participant mentions the gravitational effects on the rod before it crosses the horizon, referencing a physics show that suggested significant gravitational influence from a nearby black hole.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of conservation of energy in the context of black holes and raises questions about the quantum mechanical aspects involved.
  • There is a mention that the gravitational force will act on the rod continuously as it approaches the black hole, with uncertainty about the specifics depending on the black hole's mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of objects as they approach a black hole, particularly regarding momentum transfer, energy conversion, and visual effects at the event horizon. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexities involved, including the conservation of energy and the quantum mechanical nature of black holes, but do not resolve these issues or clarify assumptions regarding the mass of the black hole or the nature of the rod.

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This is theoretical, but if we had a black hole with event horizon of radius R, and passed in a continuous stream of stellar matter with a radius of 99% of R or so,
would the black hole take in everything, no matter how fast it was moving?

For example, we have a sufficiently long rod of a hard metal (let's say a few light-years long), with a radius near the size of the event horizon. If this rod were rammed into the black hole at nearly light speed, would it just eat up all of it. Or is it possible that some would pass through by virtue of it's momentum or inertia?
 
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The rod would not pass through. The momentum would be transferred to the black hole - it would move in the direction of the incoming rod.
 
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So we're talking a 100% energy conversion, virtually instantaneously as the horizon is crossed?
 
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This also brings up an interesting question about what happens at the event horizon. It is generally said that objects approaching the event horizon appear to slow down, and never appear to cross the horizon. What would we see if we pushed this very long rod itno the black hole? ould the end near the EH appear to stop while the rest of the rod appears to keep moving forward at very high speed, while no bunching up in the middle occurs?
 
This makes me think that the gravitational force would affect the metal rod even before it crosses the horizon. There was a physics show on tv that mentioned if a black hole was as close to us as Jupiter, we would experience earthquakes on Earth.

I always have to remember there is the conservation of energy. However, when dealing with the QM nature of black holes, this becomes more interesting.
 
The event horizon is the point of no return as it were. But the gravitational force of the black hole will be acting on the rod all the time as it approaches. I'm not sure what the show was referring to but it would depend entirely on the mass of the black hole.
 

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