Can Calculus/Analysis Help Determine Point Limits?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether calculus or analysis can help determine point limits, particularly focusing on the concepts of limits in sequences and the distinction between individual points and sequences. The scope includes theoretical aspects of calculus and analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a single point does not have a limit, but a series of points can approach a limit.
  • One participant defines a point as a limit of a sequence if every open neighborhood of that point contains all but a finite number of points from the sequence.
  • Another participant emphasizes the difference between an individual point and a sequence of that point, noting that the sequence has a limit while the individual point does not.
  • There is a mention that sequences may have multiple limits, particularly in non-Hausdorff topological spaces.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the terminology, distinguishing between "limit of a sequence of points" and "limit point of a set of points," with references to potential ambiguities in definitions.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of limits in sequences versus individual points, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved nuances regarding the definitions of limits and limit points, as well as the implications of topological properties on the existence of limits.

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Can someone rephrase the title question into something more meaningful in terms of Calculus/Analysis?
 
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Possibly kindly answer it as well. Thanks.
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A single point does not but a series of points can approach a limit.
 
Suppose that ##x_1,x_2,\dots## is a sequence of points. A point ##x## is said to be a limit of that sequence if every open neighborhood of ##x## (i.e. every open set that contains ##x##) contains all but a finite number of the points in the sequence.
 
There is a difference between the individual point ##x## and the sequence ##(x,x,x,\ldots)##. The former the does not have a limit but the latter does (and the limit is ##x##).
 
Fredrik said:
Suppose that ##x_1,x_2,\dots## is a sequence of points. A point ##x## is said to be a limit of that sequence if every open neighborhood of ##x## (i.e. every open set that contains ##x##) contains all but a finite number of the points in the sequence.
Just to clarify, here we would say that x is the limit, not that x "has" a limit!
 
Note that sequences may have many limits. If your topological space is not hausdorff, this may happen.

Fredrik said:
Suppose that ##x_1,x_2,\dots## is a sequence of points. A point ##x## is said to be a limit of that sequence if every open neighborhood of ##x## (i.e. every open set that contains ##x##) contains all but a finite number of the points in the sequence.

This is slightly imprecise depending on interpretation. It should either say all but a finite number of terms in the sequence, since the sequence might eventually stabilize.

pwsnafu said:
There is a difference between the individual point ##x## and the sequence ##(x,x,x,\ldots)##. The former the does not have a limit but the latter does (and the limit is ##x##).

Not sure how to interpret this, but I'd point out that the limit points of the one-point set ##\{x\}## are exactly the limit points of the sequence (x,x,...)
 
The terms "limit of a sequence of points" and "limit point of set of points" have different meanings. A set of points (not necessarily arranged as a sequence) can have many "limit points". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limit_point
 

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