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Can closed wing aircraft take off as hydrofoil

  1. Jun 11, 2015 #1
    Mildly futuristic setting concerning technology, sparsely populated exoplanet with 3 atm. I'm looking for a cool, but very practical plane design.

    A photo of design that I thought about (from wikipedia) :
    640px-Artistic_view_of_a_PrandtlPlane_freighter.png
    (except that I think about a bit smaller ones)

    It looks as if such design had two features that made it destined to become a flying boat:
    -engines put highly, so would be out of reach of water;
    -front part of lowly put wings seem able to act as hydrofoil.

    From what I've read modern passenger planes easily stay afloat for a while, but the problem is water slowly seeping inside. Sticking all holes seems feasible.

    Could such design be adjusted easily to act as flying boat?

    I also thought about twin pressurized hulls to let it act as catamaran. Feasible?
     
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  3. Jun 11, 2015 #2

    Ryan_m_b

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    If the outside pressure is three atmospheres your plane likely becomes an airship. To act like a boat you'd have to design it to be heavy enough that it doesn't float off.
     
  4. Jun 11, 2015 #3
    Let's assume that the pressure inside is also 3 atm. So no buoyancy in air.
     
  5. Jun 12, 2015 #4
    Yes. Watertight flying boat hulls are standard stuff.
    Not quite. Start from another end.

    A key point: the parts that are submerged in flowing water must be strong enough to resist hydrodynamic forces. Bottom of the hull, floats, sponsons.

    Not the whole plane. Top of the fuselage and the wings can be made weaker and lighter, so that they would break off in water, but don´t get there. This makes the plane lighter and flying easier.
    I assume that the lower wing of the box is designed for air. It would be inconvenient to simply deal with it getting in water.
    No, just look at sponsons. Designed to work both as floats and waterfoils.
    In 3 bar, the density contrast between air and water is less. Meaning that the main wing does not have to be so big relative to sponsons, and sponsons can contribute more aerodynamic forces. Consider this as your point of departure:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_314_Clipper#/media/File:Boeing_314_Yankee_Clipper_1939.jpg

    Having shrunk the main wind, how would you connect it to sponsons?
     
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  6. Jun 12, 2015 #5
    So maybe this problem can be addressed in different way. Those are piston engine planes, so would have to have really good turbochargers. Turbochargers wouldn't have much use at sea level, so can be used to pump air to create a hovercraft...

    Would hoovercraft plane be feasible? (twin hull so there is a flat place for surface)

    The 3 times denser atmosphere allows for a take off speed that's 1/sqrt(3) of the same design on Earth.

    Assuming that it would be a plane in a way comparable to a B-29 (stall speed 170 km/h), then it bare minimum take off would not be much higher than 100 km/h. So the idea: optimised for flight, and just have to somehow slide desperately on water for a while.

    OK bottom of the plane has to be hard. Got it. This connection problem not specially.

    Or maybe I'm making everything too complicated? Would starting from improvised, unpaved airports much easier than from water?
     
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