Can dark matter explain the flyby anomalies?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the flyby anomalies observed in spacecraft as they pass by Earth, which exhibit unexpected changes in acceleration. Participants explore various hypotheses, including potential explanations involving dark matter, exotic physics, and conventional physics principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the flyby anomalies involve spacecraft like Galileo and Cassini experiencing unusual acceleration changes, with no consensus on the cause.
  • Stephen Adler proposes that interactions with dark matter could explain these anomalies, but he emphasizes that any model must account for both increases and decreases in acceleration.
  • Others, like Garth, clarify that recent analyses, such as those by Slava Turyshev, focus on the Pioneer Anomaly rather than the Flyby Anomalies, although they may be related.
  • Exotic explanations, such as the Unruh effect, have been suggested, which involve modifications to inertia and are sensitive to specific parameters like the Hubble constant.
  • Some participants argue that the anomalies might be explained by conventional physics, suggesting that factors like special relativity could account for the observed effects without invoking new physics.
  • There are inquiries about whether the moon's gravitational influence was considered in the analysis of the flyby anomalies, although some assert that the effect has been observed with other planets lacking significant moons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the causes of the flyby anomalies, with no clear consensus on any single explanation. Multiple competing hypotheses remain under discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted regarding the assumptions made in various models, particularly concerning the parameters used in exotic explanations and the potential influence of external gravitational bodies.

SF
The flyby anomalies, you may remember, are a set of fascinating data indicating that spacecraft flying past Earth undergo a strange, step-like change in their acceleration.

The Galileo, Near, Cassini and Rosetta spacecraft all seem to have been hit by this weird phenomenon and while that’s not a large number of data points, it is an impressive proportion of the few spacecraft that have flown past Earth on their way to other parts of the solar system.

Nobody knows what causes this effect but there are a growing number of fascinating ideas. For example, I’ve blogged about a Casimir force-like change in inertia. And today, Stephen Adler at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton considers the possibility that these spacecraft are banging into lumps of dark matter as they swing past the planet.

In an impressive analysis, Adler doesn’t rule out an interaction with dark matter but he does impose some severe limits on how this process might occur. The problem is that we’ve witnessed both increases and decreases in the acceleration of these spacecraft so any dark matter model would have to allow for this.

http://arxivblog.com/?p=428
 
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Did you completely missed the recently reported analysis by Slava Turyshev of JPL?

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/17846774.html

Zz.
 
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Zz, Turyshev's paper was about the Pioneer Anomaly, not the Flyby Anomalies, which are distinctly different, but which might be related

Garth
 
Garth said:
Zz, Turyshev's paper was about the Pioneer Anomaly, not the Flyby Anomalies, which are distinctly different, but which might be related

Garth

Yes, I know, but I've attended several seminars on this whereby this issue has been brought up together to illustrate the "parameter space" in which any kind of definitive statement about exotic mechanisms responsible for such anomalies need to be tempered down until we know a LOT more.

zZ.
 
Some exotic explanations have been proposed as the explanation of the flyby anomaly, including the Unruh effect (McCulloch, M.E., "Can the flyby anomalies be explained by a modification of inertia?", submitted 18 Dec 2007 to arxiv.org)
Here, these flybys are modeled using a theory that assumes that inertia is caused by a form of Unruh radiation, modified by a Hubble-scale Casimir effect. ... However, these results were extremely sensitive to the Hubble constant used. As an experimental test of these ideas, it is proposed that metamaterials could be used to bend Unruh radiation around objects, possibly reducing their inertial mass.​

... and dark matter (Adler, S.L., "Can the flyby anomaly be attributed to earth-bound dark matter?", submitted 19 May 2008 to arxiv.org).
We make preliminary estimates to assess whether the recently reported flyby anomaly can be attributed to dark matter interactions. ... We discuss a number of strong constraints on the hypothesis of a dark matter explanation for the flyby anomaly. These require dark matter to be non-self-annihilating, with the dark matter scattering cross section on nucleons much larger, and the dark matter mass much lighter, than usually assumed.​

The answer is probably a lot more mundane: It is probably just sloppy math (Mbelek, J.P., "Special relativity may account for the spacecraft flyby anomalies", submitted 11 Sep 2008 to arxiv.org).
In the following, we show that SR transverse Doppler shift together with the addition of velocities are sufficient to explain the flyby anomalies. Thus, GR does not need to be questioned and the flyby anomaly is merely due to an incomplete analysis using conventional physics.

Oops.

The final paper is very short.
 
I have read a number of comments on the web asking if the moon's gravity was taken into account with this anomaly. I am sure it was but can no reference to the fact.

Was the moon's influence taken into account?
 

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