Anomalous accelerations in spacecraft flybys of the Earth

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The discussion revolves around the anomalous accelerations observed in spacecraft flybys of the Earth, particularly the potential explanations for these anomalies, including the controversial idea of a fifth fundamental force. Participants explore various hypotheses and past analogies, such as the Pioneer anomaly, while debating the validity of these explanations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the anomalies might be explained by a fifth force, while others find this idea extremely remote and argue that all mundane causes have not been eliminated.
  • There is a reference to the Pioneer anomaly, where initial speculations about modifications to gravity were later attributed to thermal effects from the spacecraft's power source.
  • One participant proposes that changes in the Earth's gravitational field model due to dynamic mass distribution (like water and ice movements) could account for the anomalies.
  • Another hypothesis suggests that impacts from small orbital debris could influence the spacecraft's trajectory.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of atmospheric drag measurements, with one participant noting that it could account for a significant portion of the Galileo anomaly.
  • A participant mentions the existence of other theories, such as dark matter, while expressing skepticism about the fifth force concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not agree on the explanations for the anomalies, with multiple competing views presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of the fifth force and other proposed explanations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the current understanding of gravitational models and atmospheric drag, indicating that assumptions about these factors may affect interpretations of the anomalies.

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The suggestion is a fifth force to counter these anomalies is this generally excepted?

arXiv:1711.02875 [pdf, ps, other]
Anomalous accelerations in spacecraft flybys of the Earth
L. Acedo
Comments: 41 pages, 11 figures (Accepted for publication in Astrophysics and Space Science)
Subjects: Earth and Planetary Astrophysics (astro-ph.EP)

The flyby anomaly is a persistent riddle in astrodynamics. Orbital analysis in several flybys of the Earth since the Galileo spacecraft flyby of the Earth in 1990 have shown that the asymptotic post-encounter velocity exhibits a difference with the initial velocity that cannot be attributed to conventional effects. To elucidate its origin, we have developed an orbital program for analyzing the trajectory of the spacecraft in the vicinity of the perigee, including both the Sun and the Moon's tidal perturbations and the geopotential zonal, tesseral and sectorial harmonics provided by the EGM96 model. The magnitude and direction of the anomalous acceleration acting upon the spacecraft can be estimated from the orbital determination program by comparing with the trajectories fitted to telemetry data as provided by the mission teams. This acceleration amounts to a fraction of a mm/s2 and decays very fast with altitude. The possibility of some new physics of gravity in the altitude range for spacecraft flybys is discussed.
 
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wolram said:
The suggestion is a fifth force to counter these anomalies is this generally excepted?

I think the possibility of this being the result of a fifth fundamental force is extremely remote.
 
Drakkith said:
I think the possibility of this being the result of a fifth fundamental force is extremely remote.
Yep. You can only introduce an idea like that when absolutely all other mundane cause have been eliminated - and I don't think they have been.
 
This is reminiscent of the Pioneer Anomaly. There were similar tiny deviations of the path of the Pioneer spacecraft from what was predicted. Dozens (maybe hundreds?) of papers were written speculating that it was due to modifications of gravity, MOND, and whatever else you might want to invent. In the end, careful thermal modeling of the spacecraft showed that the effect was due to radiation pressure from the asymmetric radiation of the heat from the Radioisotope Thermal Generator. I'm with Drakkith and sophiecentaur. I strongly doubt that there is any new physics here.
 
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IMHO, They have considered all possible scenarios , May be some one can come up with another one?
 
Everyone thought all possible explanations had been considered for the Pioneer anomaly until someone came up with the right one. I'll give you a couple of possibilities:

(1) The model of the Earth's gravitational field that they are using was developed at a point in time. There is no reason to expect the Earth's mass distribution to be static. Water movements, ice movements, magma movements inside the Earth all would cause changes over time.

(2) How about impacts from small particles of orbital debris in low Earth orbit? We know it's a mess up there.

(3) Do they really know the atmospheric drag that well? They admit that atmospheric drag can account for about half of the Galileo anomaly. Maybe the atmospheric drag is really twice what they think. I know there are cases of satellites in low Earth orbit coming down sooner than expected because the orbit decayed more rapidly than expected.
 
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