Can destroy a real photon(mass on-shell) to create a pair massive particles?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of a real photon being destroyed to create a pair of massive particle-antiparticle. Participants explore the implications of energy-momentum conservation in this context, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of photon interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a single photon cannot create a particle-antiparticle pair and argue that at least one more photon is required for such a process, citing the example of photon-photon interactions.
  • Others propose that at sufficiently high energies, a single photon can interact with a nucleus to form an electron-positron pair, suggesting that momentum conservation can be satisfied in this scenario.
  • There are claims that a photon can only create other massless particles, with some participants stating that it can produce multiple photons, but they must be collinear with the original photon.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the conditions under which a photon can create particles, noting that conservation of momentum complicates the situation and may prevent any creation from occurring.
  • One participant mentions confusion regarding symmetry conservation in the context of photon interactions, prompting further questions about which symmetries are being referenced.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether a single photon can create massive particle-antiparticle pairs. Multiple competing views are presented, with some arguing against the possibility while others suggest specific conditions under which it might occur.

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Discussions include references to energy thresholds, conservation laws, and the nature of particle interactions, but these aspects remain unresolved and depend on various assumptions and definitions.

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Please teach me this:
Can a real photon be destroyed to create a pair of massive particle-antiparticle?.It seem that if it can be,the conservation of energy-momentum is violalated?
Thank you very much in advanced.
 
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ndung200790 said:
Please teach me this:
Can a real photon be destroyed to create a pair of massive particle-antiparticle?.It seem that if it can be,the conservation of energy-momentum is violalated?
Thank you very much in advanced.

A single photon cannot make any pair of particle and antiparticle - you need atleast one more photon [tex]\gamma \gamma \rightarrow e^{+}e^{-}[/tex] as an example . And maybe even a mediator, like an electron.
 
At sufficiently high energies (> 1.022 Mev) a single photon can interact with a nucleus (which is needed for momentum conservation) to form an electron-positron pair.
 
ndung200790 said:
Please teach me this:
Can a real photon be destroyed to create a pair of massive particle-antiparticle?.It seem that if it can be,the conservation of energy-momentum is violalated?
Thank you very much in advanced.

I never thought of that before.

Anyways, it seems one photon can only create other photons (or other massless particles), and no more than 3 of them.

So I think the following are possible:

[tex]\gamma \rightarrow \gamma+\gamma[/tex]
[tex]\gamma \rightarrow \gamma+\gamma+\gamma[/tex]

Actually, I don't think any of this is possible. You get the above only when you consider that the initial and final state have the same spacetime distance. When you also consider conservation of momentum, then you can't have anything.

So one photon cannot create anything.
 
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RedX said:
I never thought of that before.

Anyways, it seems one photon can only create other photons (or other massless particles), and no more than 3 of them.

So I think the following are possible:

[tex]\gamma \rightarrow \gamma+\gamma[/tex]
[tex]\gamma \rightarrow \gamma+\gamma+\gamma[/tex]

Actually, I don't think any of this is possible. You get the above only when you consider that the initial and final state have the same spacetime distance. When you also consider conservation of momentum, then you can't have anything.

So one photon cannot create anything.

Yes. It does not conserve symmetry.
 
QuantumClue said:
Yes. It does not conserve symmetry.

Which symmetry?
 
RedX said:
I never thought of that before.

Anyways, it seems one photon can only create other photons (or other massless particles), and no more than 3 of them.

So I think the following are possible:

[tex]\gamma \rightarrow \gamma+\gamma[/tex]
[tex]\gamma \rightarrow \gamma+\gamma+\gamma[/tex]

Actually, I don't think any of this is possible. You get the above only when you consider that the initial and final state have the same spacetime distance. When you also consider conservation of momentum, then you can't have anything.

So one photon cannot create anything.

oops, I confused sines with cosines (that always trips me up).

So the real result should be that one photon can only turn into massless particles, and these massless particles must all be collinear in the same direction as the original photon.

So a photon can turn into any number of massless particles/antiparticles, but they all have to be colinear.
 

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