Can Earth or any spherical object in space act as a particle collider?

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The discussion explores the idea of whether Earth, or any spherical object in space, could act as a particle collider due to its mass attracting particles and causing collisions at its center. Participants examine the implications of this idea in relation to Earth's internal heat and the factors contributing to it, including gravitational effects and historical accretion processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that Earth's internal heat might be due to mass attracting particles, similar to gravitational lensing, leading to collisions at the center.
  • Others challenge this idea, questioning how particles could avoid colliding with Earth's material before reaching the center.
  • A participant suggests that the heat of the Earth's surface results from an equilibrium of various energy contributions, including solar and nuclear energy, rather than solely from particle collisions.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the certainty of the temperature at Earth's center, noting the lack of direct measurements from deep drilling.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of establishing a quantitative discrepancy between measured and predicted core temperatures before proposing new physics to explain it.
  • Concerns are raised about the variability in known physics and the uncertainty in both theoretical predictions and experimental measurements, complicating claims of discrepancies needing resolution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus, with multiple competing views on the causes of Earth's internal heat and the validity of the particle collision hypothesis. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these ideas.

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Limitations include the lack of direct measurements of the Earth's core temperature and the uncertainty surrounding initial conditions and energy contributions, which affect the reliability of claims made in the discussion.

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This is most probably a dumb idea as I'm far from deep physics knowledge but I was thinking.
What if Earth is hot inside not because of the pressure and the radioactivity but because it's mass attracts particles (similarly to gravitational lensing) and they collide right in the Earth's center?
 
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Why would they not collide with various parts of the Earth before getting anywhere near the center? You are positing some magical particles that can avoid all of the particles that make up the Earth, arrive at the center at the same time, and then collide with each other. Really?
 
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What is "gravitational lensing" in ths context? Some nontrivial part of the earths internal energy is residual heat from collisions due to its viotent accretion history, because of gravity. Wikipedia is good.
 
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adhd_wonderer said:
What if Earth is hot inside not because of the pressure and the radioactivity but because it's mass attracts particles
This is exact.y the kind of question that (even brilliant) Scientists are constantly asking themselves. The answer (as in this case) is always to do with the actual numbers involved in each specific case. The temperature of the Earth's surface is the result of an equilibrium between all the radiated energy and all the energy contributions, such as solar energy, internally generated nuclear energy and the energy of present and past accretion.

The same calculations are made about Neutron Stars to account for the fact they are intense sources of very high energy radiation (Xrays). Accretion, in that case, accounts for the vast amounts of radiated energy where internal energy is not so much.
 
adhd_wonderer said:
This is most probably a dumb idea as I'm far from deep physics knowledge but I was thinking.
What if Earth is hot inside not because of the pressure and the radioactivity but because it's mass attracts particles (similarly to gravitational lensing) and they collide right in the Earth's center?
A better question is how we know that the centre of the Earth is hot in any case. No one has drilled down there to find out!
 
In addition to all the factors mentioned above, take in account that as you get closer to the center of the Earth or other spherically symmetric body, the gravitational attraction toward the center diminishes and completely disappears at the center.
 
adhd_wonderer said:
This is most probably a dumb idea as I'm far from deep physics knowledge but I was thinking.
What if Earth is hot inside not because of the pressure and the radioactivity but because it's mass attracts particles (similarly to gravitational lensing) and they collide right in the Earth's center?
For a question like this the most important thing would be to show

1) there is a quantitative discrepancy between the measured temperature of the center of the earth and predictions based on known physics

2) that this new physics makes a quantitative prediction of the right amount to resolve the discrepancy

The big issue I see here is that the known physics has a lot of variability. We don’t know the initial conditions with high precision. We also don’t have direct measurements of the core temperature.

When you have a lot of uncertainty on both the theoretical and the experimental side then it becomes difficult to claim that there is even any discrepancy to resolve, or which direction any new physics would need to go to resolve it. Maybe the new physics needs to be a mechanism to take heat away, not add it.

I guess the point is, before looking for a fix, the first thing is to find something that needs fixing. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. And “broke” and “fix” are both about quantitative measurements in science.
 

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