Can electric fields/currents be seen on the sun?

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The discussion centers on the presence of electric fields and currents in the sun's plasma, particularly in relation to magnetic fields and coronal loops. Participants explore the theoretical and observational aspects of these phenomena, questioning how they can be detected and characterized.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that fluid dynamics in the sun's convective zone generate electric fields that drive magnetic fields, which may influence the presence of electric fields in coronal loops.
  • There is a question about whether electric fields or currents can be detected through telescopic means or expressed mathematically.
  • One participant notes that while magnetic features are often studied, the energetic aspects of electric fields may not receive as much attention.
  • Another participant states that moving charges create both electric and magnetic fields, implying that the sun's magnetic fields are a result of moving electric charges.
  • A participant references the Zeeman effect to discuss the magnetic field strength of sunspots and inquires about the formula for converting this to an equivalent electric charge.
  • A link is provided for further reading on the relationship between magnetic fields and electric currents, as well as a reference to a more rigorous treatment of electric field forces in coronal loops.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of certainty regarding the detection and characterization of electric fields in the sun, with some suggesting that the relationship between electric and magnetic fields is well understood, while others question the extent to which electric fields are actively studied.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of electric fields and their detection methods remain unaddressed, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of measuring these phenomena in solar physics.

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My understanding is that fluid dynamics in the convective zone generate electric fields and are what drives the magnetic fields which are then pushed up into the photosphere by differential rotation.

Question is are electric fields or currents also present in the plasma filled magnetic and coronal loops that can be seen on the surface? If so,

1) can we detect the presence of them though some telescopic means or can they be expressed in formulas?
2) Do they have a positive/negative charge or does the plasma neutralize them?

Thanks!
 
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How would you characterize the difference between electric fields and magnetic loops?
 
Not sure you can, its just that we have other means that focus on the development of the magnetic features, means that include measurements of field strength and such, but rarely do we hear anything in regards to the energetic electric aspect. I suppose magnetic loops would explicitly imply that electric fields must be present, I was simply wondering if this is an area that is actively being studied the way solar magnetics are.
 
A moving charge always has both a magnetic and an electric field. They are characterized by a field called the electromagnetic field. In the case of the sun, where permanent magnets cannot exist, it is safe to assume all magnetic fields are the consequence of moving electric charges. A simple calculation is all that is necessary to convert magnetic field strength to an equivalent electric charge.
 
L & P's Zeeman splitting puts the field strength of sunspots at about 1726 Gauss. (Been dropping at about 46-50G per year since 1998) What is the formula and what is the equivalent electric charge?
 

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