Can energy of an object be kinetic AND potential?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of kinetic and potential energy in the context of a ball moving down a ramp. Participants are exploring how to properly account for energy at different points along the ramp, particularly focusing on the definitions of potential energy based on the chosen zero reference line.

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  • Participants are questioning whether the total energy of the ball at the bottom of the ramp can be expressed as a sum of potential and kinetic energy, or if it should solely be kinetic energy. There is discussion about how the definition of the zero line for potential energy affects the calculations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the inclusion of both types of energy in the total energy calculation, while others are clarifying the implications of the chosen zero line for potential energy. Multiple interpretations of the energy calculations are being explored, but there is no explicit consensus reached yet.

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There is a mention of confusion regarding the placement of the zero line for potential energy, with some participants indicating different reference points (top vs. bottom of the ramp) which may affect the calculations and understanding of the energy states.

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http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...cs_/Energy.jpg

When the ball is at the bottom of the ramp, can it's energy be
E = mgh + 0.5mv^2 ?
Or is it's energy strictly 0.5mv^2?

I set the zero line at where the ball leaves the ramp, so that's why I'm confused.
 
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Can't see the image...

But yes, total energy must include both potential and kinetic energies. The potential energy of the ball depends on where you define your zero line.

Since you define the zero Ep at the top of the ramp, then at the bottom of the ramp the h would be a negative value.
 
Since your zero line is at the top of the ramp, at the bottom it would be mgh+0.5mv^2.
 
kudoushinichi88 said:
Can't see the image...

But yes, total energy must include both potential and kinetic energies. The potential energy of the ball depends on where you define your zero line.

Since you define the zero Ep at the top of the ramp, then at the bottom of the ramp the h would be a negative value.

Sorry, the image is here: http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g349/Physics_/Energy.jpg
And I set the zero at the bottom of the ramp, just where the ball would leave the ramp.
Sorry for any confusion.
 

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