Can Entangling Separate Photon Pairs Affect Previously Measured Photons?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of entangling separate pairs of photons and the effects of measurement on their entangled states. It explores theoretical scenarios involving Bell-state measurements, delayed-choice entanglement swapping, and the potential for using entangled photons for communication purposes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that performing a Bell-state measurement on photons B and C could lead to four-photon entanglement if photons A and D have not been measured, referencing a specific paper.
  • Another participant questions whether different results could be obtained if photons A and D were entangled after photons B and C had already been measured, indicating a scenario where measurement order might influence outcomes.
  • A separate idea is introduced regarding the use of entangled photons to send emergency signals by disrupting their entanglement, raising the question of whether it is possible to detect a broken link without causing the disruption.
  • One participant asserts that disrupting the entanglement of one particle does not affect the other in a measurable way, emphasizing that the ordering of observations does not change the results.

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Participants express differing views on the effects of measurement on entangled photons, with some proposing that measurement order could influence outcomes while others assert that it does not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these measurements and the potential for communication using entangled photons.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about measurement effects and the definitions of entanglement and measurement in quantum mechanics. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or theoretical complexities involved.

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If we take two pairs of entangled photons (A+B and C+D), and take one from each pair (B and C) and perform a bell-state measurement on them (or another scheme that entangles photons A and D together):

(a) if the two other photons have not had their wave function collapsed, four-photon entanglement is created: http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0104047

(b) if the two photons had been measured, and then a bell state measurement occurred (or similar), a different result is evident (i.e. not the same result as (a)).

I've seen (b) realized in delayed-choice entanglement swapping, but is there another scheme that would generate different results if measurement had occurred before photons A and D became entangled?
 
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StevieTNZ said:
I've seen (b) realized in delayed-choice entanglement swapping, but is there another scheme that would generate different results if measurement had occurred before photons A and D became entangled?

Keep in mind this rule: ordering of observation does not change the observed results in any discernible fashion.
 
Maybe this is a right topic.

Some people had the idea, that we could use entangled photons to send an emergency signal once, by deliberately disrupting their entanglement.
Is is possible to notice somehow, that the link between them is broken, but not break it ourselves?
 
Any opinions about this idea?
 
In short, no.

If you take a pair of particles, entangle them, then separate them by a large distance and disrupt the entanglement on one side, it would not immediately affect the state of the particle on the other side in any physically measurable way.
 

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