Can Excel Help Me Find When a Particle is on the Right of the Centre?

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The discussion revolves around using Excel to determine when a particle is positioned to the right of a center point based on its angular velocity over time. Participants explore methods for calculating the particle's angular position using discrete data points, while addressing challenges related to data spikes and the computational efficiency of their approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their data set consisting of time and angular velocity, expressing uncertainty about how to calculate when the particle reaches a specific angular position.
  • Another participant suggests accumulating angular positions by multiplying time differences with angular velocities until reaching multiples of 2π.
  • Some participants discuss the potential need to smooth the data to address spikes, with varying opinions on the implications of doing so.
  • There are suggestions for using Excel functions, including loops and additional columns, to automate the calculations of angular positions.
  • Concerns are raised about the efficiency of manual calculations versus leveraging technology like Excel for these tasks.

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Participants express differing views on the best approach to handle data spikes and the efficiency of using Excel for calculations. There is no consensus on a single method or solution, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal strategy.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the challenges of integrating angular velocity data due to irregularities and spikes, which complicates the calculation of angular position. There is also a lack of clarity on the specific nature of the data and its source.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in data analysis using Excel, particularly in the context of physics or engineering problems involving angular motion and velocity calculations.

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I should probably be asking Excel's programmers, but I have been lucky in this forum lately; here is what I got going on:

I have a data table composed of two variables: time and angular velocity of a particle around a centre point.

Time is just 0.0, 0.1, 0.2 (in seconds) and so on.

Angular velocity is given once every 0.1 second in Radians/second. The angular velocity generally decreases but there are small spikes going up and down.

What I want to do is that I want to know when will the particle be in a position where it is on the right of (or 0 degrees in relation to) the centre.

My calculus is mediocre, but I think what I need to do is to plot the angular velocity over time on a graph, and then add the area under the curve into blocks of 2π, at the edge of each block would be the point in time where the particle is in the desired position, but there isn't a simple function describing the motion of the particle that I can integrate (due to the spikes) and the data set is kind of big, so I am just wondering if there's any way to get those points in time easily.
 
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You can keep adding (time difference*angular velocity), which is the rotation angle in each time step, until your sum exceeds 2 pi, 4 pi and so on.
If you think those spikes are measurement errors, it might be useful to smoothen the distribution in some way (that depends on the data source).
 
mfb said:
You can keep adding (time difference*angular velocity), which is the rotation angle in each time step, until your sum exceeds 2 pi, 4 pi and so on.
If you think those spikes are measurement errors, it might be useful to smoothen the distribution in some way (that depends on the data source).
I could have done that, but that would take way too long, and it feels like it goes against the purpose of having technology.
 
What do you mean with "way too long"? Excel does the calculations for you, of course.
 
mfb said:
What do you mean with "way too long"? Excel does the calculations for you, of course.
I guess I didn't get what you were saying, so are you telling me that there is a way to make excel add things up and every time it hits a new "threshold" of 2nπ it tells me?
 
Calculate the incremental angular position using a 'do until' loop .

Test on angular position >= 2 pi .
 
Sure. You can add a third column next to your data and add those values up, and a fourth one to check where n*2pi has been exceeded.
 
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I could have done that, but that would take way too long, and it feels like it goes against the purpose of having technology.
Don't look now, but Excel (and the computer to run it) is "technology". "Technology" is no good to anyone if it just sits on the shelf and remains unused ...
 
SteamKing said:
Don't look now, but Excel (and the computer to run it) is "technology". "Technology" is no good to anyone if it just sits on the shelf and remains unused ...
I don't get what you are trying to say or what is the significance of this to my problem.
 
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24forChromium said:
I don't get what you are trying to say or what is the significance of this to my problem.
People smooth data all the time. There's no shame in it, unless you fiddle with the data to make it come to a pre-determined conclusion.
 
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SteamKing said:
People smooth data all the time. There's no shame in it, unless you fiddle with the data to make it come to a pre-determined conclusion.
okay, I see.
 

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