Can I also say that cot (0) = positive infinity?

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The discussion revolves around the value of cotangent at zero, specifically whether cot(0) can be considered as positive infinity or if it should be classified as undefined. Participants explore the implications of division by zero in trigonometric functions and the context of limits.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that cot(0) should be called undefined due to division by zero, aligning with standard mathematical conventions.
  • Others propose that cot(0) could be interpreted as positive infinity, particularly in the context of certain mathematical frameworks.
  • A participant mentions that in a video, cot(0°) is referred to as positive infinity, but notes that this could lead to confusion without proper context.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between undefined, infinity, and positive/negative infinity, with references to different mathematical systems such as the Real projective line and Hyperreal numbers.
  • Some participants express a preference for using the term undefined at the introductory level of trigonometry to avoid confusion.
  • Questions arise about whether the same reasoning applies to csc(0°), with participants agreeing that it is also undefined.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the equivalence of 0 degrees and 0 radians, with some participants acknowledging this as a basic fact.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that cot(0) is undefined, but there is contention regarding the interpretation of it as positive infinity. Multiple competing views remain on how to classify cot(0) and csc(0°).

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of applying different mathematical frameworks to the concept of infinity and division by zero, which may lead to varying interpretations and potential confusion.

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I know that cot (0) = 1/tan (0) = 1/0.

Most textbooks show that cot (0) = undefined.

Can I also say that cot (0) = positive infinity?

Is there a difference between 1/0 is undefined and 1/0 is positive infinity?
 
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I would stick with calling $$\cot(0)$$ undefined like any other division by zero until you are studying limits.
 
MarkFL said:
I would stick with calling $$\cot(0)$$ undefined like any other division by zero until you are studying limits.

By limits do you mean taking limits at positive and negative infinity?
 
MarkFL said:
I would stick with calling $$\cot(0)$$ undefined like any other division by zero until you are studying limits.

Does the same thing apply to csc (0°)?
In other words, csc (0°) = 1/sin (0°) = 1/0, which is undefined not positive infinity.
 
MarkFL said:
I would stick with calling $$\cot(0)$$ undefined like any other division by zero until you are studying limits.

Originally I meant to type cot (0°) not cot (0) but you understood right away.
 
Mark,

Here is Jason completing a chart of trig function values. Jason said cot (0°) = positive infinity = csc (0°) = positive infinity.



I am going to put the idea of limits on hold as you suggested but please watch the video clip.
 
xyz_1965 said:
Mark,

Here is Jason completing a chart of trig function values. Jason said cot (0°) = positive infinity = csc (0°) = positive infinity.



I am going to put the idea of limits on hold as you suggested but please watch the video clip.


Note that $\cot(-0.01^\circ)$ is pretty far negative - nowhere near positive infinity.
So saying that $\cot 0^\circ$ is positive infinity is wrong, but we might say it is infinity.
Note that the guy in the video does not say positive infinity, but instead he refers to just infinity, which he writes as $\infty$.

Just for fun, we have basically the following choices here:
  1. $\cot 0^\circ$ is $\text{undefined}$, which is correct with respect to the real numbers ($\mathbb R$), and avoids confusion with advanced concepts.
  2. $\cot 0^\circ=\infty$, which is correct with respect to the Real projective line ($\mathbb R\cup \{\infty\}$). In this case there is no distinction between $-\infty$ and $+\infty$. They are just $\infty$.
  3. $\cot 0^\circ = +\infty$ or $\cot 0^\circ =-\infty$, which are both wrong in this particular case, but they are with respect to the Hyperreal numbers (${}^*\mathbb R$), which includes $-\infty$, $+\infty$, and also many other infinities and infinitesimals.
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Note that $\cot(-0.01^\circ)$ is pretty far negative - nowhere near positive infinity.
So saying that $\cot 0^\circ$ is positive infinity is wrong, but we might say it is infinity.
Note that the guy in the video does not say positive infinity, but instead he refers to just infinity, which he writes as $\infty$.

Just for fun, we have basically the following choices here:
  1. $\cot 0^\circ$ is $\text{undefined}$, which is correct with respect to the real numbers ($\mathbb R$), and avoids confusion with advanced concepts.
  2. $\cot 0^\circ=\infty$, which is correct with respect to the Real projective line ($\mathbb R\cup \{\infty\}$). In this case there is no distinction between $-\infty$ and $+\infty$. They are just $\infty$.
  3. $\cot 0^\circ = +\infty$ or $\cot 0^\circ =-\infty$, which are both wrong in this particular case, but they are with respect to the Hyperreal numbers (${}^*\mathbb R$), which includes $-\infty$, $+\infty$, and also many other infinities and infinitesimals.

I will stick to the basic and just use the word undefined at this beginning stage of trigonometry.
 
xyz_1965 said:
Does the same thing apply to csc (0°)?
In other words, csc (0°) = 1/sin (0°) = 1/0, which is undefined not positive infinity.

Yes.
xyz_1965 said:
Originally I meant to type cot (0°) not cot (0) but you understood right away.

0 degrees and 0 radians are the same thing.
 
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MarkFL said:
Yes.0 degrees and 0 radians are the same thing.

You said:

"0 degrees and 0 radians are the same."

How silly of me to forget this basic fact.
 

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