Can Jet Engines Save Earth from a Collision with an Asteroid?

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical possibility of using jet engines to move Earth out of orbit to avoid a collision with a large asteroid. Participants explore various strategies for asteroid deflection and express skepticism about the feasibility of such an approach.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that jet engines placed on Earth could theoretically move the planet out of orbit to avoid an asteroid collision.
  • Another participant argues that moving Earth would be impractical, suggesting it would be easier to move or destroy the asteroid instead.
  • A participant provides a technical analysis, stating that the mass of Earth exceeds any conceivable system to move it, and explains that jet engines would not produce net movement due to gravitational effects on exhaust.
  • Concerns are raised about government policies regarding asteroid impact preparedness, with some expressing skepticism about human willingness to address such threats.
  • Some participants discuss the potential for government inaction and the tendency to prioritize military spending over space exploration and asteroid defense.
  • There is speculation about the feasibility of diverting a planet-sized object, with one participant suggesting that fleeing Earth might be a more credible option than attempting to avert a planetary collision.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the effectiveness of using jet engines to move Earth or on the adequacy of current government policies regarding asteroid threats. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best strategies for dealing with potential asteroid impacts.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in current understanding and preparedness for asteroid impacts, highlighting the complexity of the problem and the uncertainty surrounding government actions and public perception.

  • #31
Humanity permitted to make simplifying assumptions.
 
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  • #32
EnumaElish said:
Humanity permitted to make simplifying assumptions.
That kind of thing nearly got me killed a few times. I'm a fan of accuracy.
 
  • #33
Rubidium_71 said:
...For that to even come close to fruition, you must first have that month. Objects like the one over Moscow were not detected while in "deep space"; people didn't know about them until they were already in the atmosphere.
Yeah, I didn't know about the object either until it was already in the newspaper.
 
  • #34
Noisy Rhysling said:
How many chunks flying off in what directions in those scenarios? Seem like if we blew a planet up we'd have more problems than with a single body.
The nuclear deflection concept doesn't produce chunks, it produces vapor. The bomb itself doesn't actually push the asteroid much, but it vaporizes the surface on one side, which acts like a rocket.
 
  • #35
newjerseyrunner said:
The rate at which we discover asteroids is not at all like the Fermi Paradox.
The thing is, both the larger Universe and our own Solar System still have unknowns, despite our best efforts to analyze and quantify.
newjerseyrunner said:
we're seeing new ones at an ever decreasing rate, it's indicative of the fact that we found most of them.
The NEO chart below seems to show a fairly steady rate of discovery, but it's not anywhere near zero yet. Lots of work to do yet, I think. I am skeptical of the 90% stat. Even when we've detected most of them the problem isn't solved. Just because it's detected doesn't mean it's on a leash. These objects can have their orbit influenced by a few different factors and it can be difficult for a project like ATLAS to detect an object if their radiant is not too close to the Sun.
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newjerseyrunner said:
Either way, both the US and Russia do have the capability to shoot a nuclear weapon at an asteroid.
I am not aware of a nuclear anti-impact facility being constructed or having been constructed. All of the nuclear weapons currently held are designed to strike targets on Earth (and some of those haven't been upgraded in decades). Since the nuclear weapon is often considered the magic bullet of object deflection, maybe they should set aside and maintain a specially designed group of them for striking the far more distant targets presented by asteroids.
Hurrying to assemble such a device at the last minute doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence. Time pressure and recklessness are not very compatible with nuclear innovation, just ask Harry Daghlian, Louis Slotin or the folks from the Chernobyl control room.
Progress in this area is being made, but it's got a ways to go.
 
  • #36
newjerseyrunner said:
The nuclear deflection concept doesn't produce chunks, it produces vapor. The bomb itself doesn't actually push the asteroid much, but it vaporizes the surface on one side, which acts like a rocket.
If it works as predicted...
 
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