Can Kinetic Energy Ever Be Negative in Quantum Mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of kinetic energy in quantum mechanics, particularly whether it can ever be negative, especially in the context of particles in potential wells or barriers. Participants explore theoretical implications and interpretations related to kinetic energy, total energy, and the nature of wavefunctions in quantum systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that for a particle trapped in a potential greater than its total energy, the kinetic energy could be interpreted as negative, questioning the validity of the term "kinetic energy" in such scenarios.
  • Others argue that kinetic energy is never negative, asserting that while total energy can be negative for bound systems, kinetic energy remains positive.
  • One participant mentions that kinetic energy can be negative in general relativity, prompting a request for clarification on the context.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of complex wavevectors for particles inside barriers, suggesting that this could lead to a negative kinetic energy expression.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the operator for kinetic energy is defined as a positive hermitian operator, which implies that its eigenvalues cannot be negative.
  • Discussion includes the idea that local momentum may not make sense in standard quantum mechanics but could have meaning in the Bohmian interpretation, where local momentum associated with certain wavefunctions could be zero.
  • One participant reflects on quantum tunneling, noting that during tunneling, the kinetic energy of a particle can be considered zero when inside a potential barrier.

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Participants express multiple competing views on the nature of kinetic energy in quantum mechanics, with no consensus reached regarding whether kinetic energy can be negative or how it should be interpreted in various contexts.

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Discussions involve assumptions about the definitions of kinetic and total energy, the nature of wavefunctions, and the implications of quantum tunneling, with some points remaining unresolved or dependent on specific interpretations.

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For a particle trapped in a potential that is greater than its total energy, the physical intepretation is that it has a kinetic energy<0. Is that reasonable? Since its potential is goverened by the potential of the well it is in and is fixed. The only value that can change is kinetic energy. OR in that situation should be abolish the term kinetic energy and define something else?
 
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Kinetic Energy is never negative. If a Particle is bound in some kind of potential its TOTAL ENERGY is negative (this is characteristic of a bound system, classical or quantum), but its KINETIC ENERGY is still positive.
 
G01 said:
Kinetic Energy is never negative. If a Particle is bound in some kind of potential its TOTAL ENERGY is negative (this is characteristic of a bound system, classical or quantum), but its KINETIC ENERGY is still positive.


Kinetic energy can be negative in GR.
 
In what context, careful?
 
G01 said:
Kinetic Energy is never negative. If a Particle is bound in some kind of potential its TOTAL ENERGY is negative (this is characteristic of a bound system, classical or quantum), but its KINETIC ENERGY is still positive.

Are you sure about that? I mean, the wavevector of a particle inside a barrier is complex so that we get exponentially decaying wavefunctions instead of oscillating ones, right? This means that the kinetic energy \hbar^2 k^2 / 2 m &lt; 0 since k is complex.
 
Repetit said:
Are you sure about that? I mean, the wavevector of a particle inside a barrier is complex so that we get exponentially decaying wavefunctions instead of oscillating ones, right? This means that the kinetic energy \hbar^2 k^2 / 2 m &lt; 0 since k is complex.
Kinetic energy is defined by the positive hermitian operator
\hat{p}^2 / 2 m
The operator \hat{p} is hermitian so its eigenvalues cannot be imaginary, but only real.
A wave function e^{kx}, which is formally an eigenstate of the momentum operator with an imaginary eigenvalue, is not square integrable even as a functional (a plane wave is not square integrable either, but it is square integrable at least as a functional), so it is not a physical state. In a barrier, the wave function has the form e^{kx} only on a small portion of space, not everywhere, so such a wave function is not really an eigenstate of the momentum operator. The momentum is a property of the whole wave function, not of a wave function on a small portion of space.

Although the local momentum does not make sense in the usual formulation of QM, it does make sense in the Bohmian formulation. In this case, the local momentum associated with a wave function proportional to e^{kx} is - zero. A local particle does not move and does not have a kinetic energy in this region.
 
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Cesiumfrog, write out the Hamiltonian constraint, the terms quadratic in the momentum are indefinite : 1/2 (P_c^c)^2 - P_ab P^ab. The ``potential'' term is the densitized Ricci curvature of the spacelike metric and can be positive and negative as well.
 
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G01 said:
Kinetic Energy is never negative. If a Particle is bound in some kind of potential its TOTAL ENERGY is negative (this is characteristic of a bound system, classical or quantum), but its KINETIC ENERGY is still positive.
I'm reminded of quantum tunneling. When, say, an electron is tunneling through a potential barrier then during the time the particle is inside the barrier the particle's kinetic energy is zero. This, of course, assumes that the potential energy of the barrier is zero at a certain point so we can meaningfully say that the particle is inside the potential and the potential is zero otherwise (or something of that manner.

Pete
 

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