Can Matter and Antimatter Be Indistinguishable?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of whether matter and antimatter can be considered indistinguishable, particularly in the context of charge conjugation and CP symmetry. Participants explore theoretical implications, definitions, and hypothetical scenarios related to particle properties and interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that charge conjugation is defined as the operation that transforms matter into antimatter, while others reference the role of CP symmetry in this context.
  • A historical perspective is provided regarding the violation of P and C symmetries in muon decay, suggesting that earlier ideas about symmetry were influenced by these violations.
  • One participant poses a hypothetical scenario about two particles with equal mass but opposite spins and charges, questioning whether they would necessarily be a matter-antimatter pair.
  • Another response clarifies that an antiparticle should have the same spin as its corresponding particle, and emphasizes the need for experimental signatures to determine if two particles are indeed a particle-antiparticle pair.
  • Discussion includes the relevance of helicity in neutrinos and antineutrinos, noting that observed antineutrinos have only right-handed helicity, which may relate to the CP operation.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the conditions under which two particles could be considered a matter-antimatter pair, highlighting the need for annihilation capability and the same spin.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and implications of charge conjugation and CP symmetry. Multiple competing views remain regarding the conditions under which particles can be classified as matter-antimatter pairs.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in understanding the properties of particles and antiparticles, particularly regarding the assumptions about spin, charge, and the necessity of experimental verification for claims made.

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I didn't read the blog in detail, but....
I think most physicists would agree that, by definition, "charge conjugation" turns matter into antimatter. In 1956, when both P and C were found to be violated in muon decay, this gave Landau a great idea. If changing particles to antiparticles also included P, then the world would still be symmetric. This idea agreed with all known P and C violation, and was popular until CP was found to be violated. The blog is probably using this Landau idea which, except for CP violation, does make things more symmetric.
 
Just trying to get this straight: suppose we found two particles with equal mass but opposite spins and opposite charges. Would they necessarily be a matter-antimatter pair?
Thanks.
 
nomadreid said:
Just trying to get this straight: suppose we found two particles with equal mass but opposite spins and opposite charges. Would they necessarily be a matter-antimatter pair?
Thanks.

An antiparticle will have the same spin as the corresponding particle, so we can rephrase your question as "suppose we found two particles with equal mass and spins but opposite charges. Would they necessarily be a matter-antimatter pair?" The answer still depends on finding experimental signatures that all of the interactions of these particles were also charge symmetric. For example, if these particles have nonzero EM charge, there should be quantum processes where an intermediate photon creates a particle-antiparticle pair. If the proper interactions occur, we can decide if they're a particle-antiparticle pair.

If the particles are electrically neutral, there can be additional complications, since it's possible that either each particle is its own antiparticle or that the particle-antiparticle eigenstates are mixed states. There's some discussion here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_particle_oscillations
 
Thank you, fzero. That is very helpful.
 
The relevance of CP for flipping particles ino their antiparticles is dictated by the neutrinos:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antineutrino#Antineutrinos

The antineutrinos observed so far all have right-handed helicity (i.e. only one of the two possible spin states has ever been seen), while the neutrinos are left-handed.

Helicity is the projection of spin on the direction of momentum.
Thus, in order to create an antineutrino out of its neutrino, you woul have to apply the CP-operation. So, the physics of antiparticles is created via CP out of the physics of particles (except for the tiny CP violation).
 
nomadreid said:
Just trying to get this straight: suppose we found two particles with equal mass but opposite spins and opposite charges. Would they necessarily be a matter-antimatter pair?
Thanks.
Not necessarily in principle. (They would need the same spin.)
They would also have to be able to annihilate each other,
although I don't know of any case of particles with equal mass and spin, and opposite charge that are not antiparticles.
 

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