Understanding that QCD is not CP invariant

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JD_PM said:
Where the first term drops because ##\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}## is antisymmetric under ##\mu \leftrightarrow \nu## while ##\partial_{\mu} A_{\nu}## is symmetric (not completely sure if this is OK).
Mmm... How would you argue that ##\partial_{\mu}A_{\nu}## is symmetric?? And more important, if the first term vanishes, how in the world the second does not vanish?

JD_PM said:
Next I thought of product rule + divergence theorem

\begin{equation*}
\underbrace{\partial_\mu\left(\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}A_\nu^i F_{\rho\sigma}^i\right)}_{=0?} =\underbrace{\partial_\mu(\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma})A_\nu^i F_{\rho\sigma}^i}_{=0} + \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_\mu A_\nu^i F_{\rho\sigma}^i + \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}A_\nu^i \partial_\mu F_{\rho\sigma}^i
\end{equation*}
You shouldn't use the divergence theorem here. First of all, because we are told that the boundary terms don't vanish. And furthermore, we want to express the whole expression as a total divergence, if you use the DT to get rid of such terms...
 
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Gaussian97 said:
And more important, if the first term vanishes, how in the world the second does not vanish?
Absolutely right.

Hence I have

\begin{align*}
\varepsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}F_i^{\mu\nu}F^{\rho\sigma}_i &= \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}F^i_{\mu\nu}F_{\rho\sigma}^i \\
&= \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}(\partial_{\nu} A_{\mu}^i - \partial_{\mu} A_{\nu}^i)F_{\rho\sigma}^i \\
&= -2\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_{\mu} A_{\nu}^i F_{\rho\sigma}^i \\
&= -\frac 1 2 \partial_\mu\left(\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}A_\nu^i F_{\rho\sigma}^i\right) + \frac 1 2 \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}A_\nu^i \partial_\mu F_{\rho\sigma}^i
\end{align*}

Mmm how to deal with the ##\frac 1 2 \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}A_\nu^i \partial_\mu F_{\rho\sigma}^i## term though? I thought of Bianchi identity for ##F_{\mu\nu}## but I do not think it is going to lead us to the desired result.
 
JD_PM said:
\begin{align*}
G \cdot \tilde G &= \varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} G_i^{\mu \nu}G_i^{\rho \sigma}\\
&=\varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} (F_i^{\mu \nu} + g_s f_{ijk} A_j^{\mu} A_k^{\nu})(F_i^{\rho \sigma} + g_s f_{ilm} A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma})\\
&=\varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} (F_i^{\mu \nu}F_i^{\rho \sigma} + g_s f_{ilm}F_i^{\mu \nu}A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma} + g_s f_{ijk} A_j^{\mu} A_k^{\nu} F_i^{\rho \sigma} + g^2_sf_{ijk}f_{ilm}A_j^{\mu} A_k^{\nu}A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma})\\
&= ?\\
&= \partial_{\mu}(\varepsilon^{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} A_{\nu}^i [G_{\rho \sigma}^i - \frac{g_s}{3}f_{ijk} A_{j\rho} A_{k\sigma}])
\end{align*}

I advanced just a bit: ##A^4## term is symmetric so

\begin{align*}
G \cdot \tilde G &= \varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} G_i^{\mu \nu}G_i^{\rho \sigma}\\
&=\varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} (F_i^{\mu \nu} + g_s f_{ijk} A_j^{\mu} A_k^{\nu})(F_i^{\rho \sigma} + g_s f_{ilm} A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma})\\
&=\varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} (F_i^{\mu \nu}F_i^{\rho \sigma} + g_s f_{ilm}F_i^{\mu \nu}A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma} + g_s f_{ijk} A_j^{\mu} A_k^{\nu} F_i^{\rho \sigma} + g^2_sf_{ijk}f_{ilm}A_j^{\mu} A_k^{\nu}A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma})\\
&=\varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} (F_i^{\mu \nu}F_i^{\rho \sigma} + g_s f_{ilm}F_i^{\mu \nu}A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma} + g_s f_{ijk} A_j^{\mu} A_k^{\nu} F_i^{\rho \sigma})\\
&= ?\\
&= \partial_{\mu}(\varepsilon^{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} A_{\nu}^i [G_{\rho \sigma}^i - \frac{g_s}{3}f_{ijk} A_{j\rho} A_{k\sigma}])
\end{align*}

:biggrin:
 
JD_PM said:
Absolutely right.

Hence I have

\begin{align*}
\varepsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}F_i^{\mu\nu}F^{\rho\sigma}_i &= \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}F^i_{\mu\nu}F_{\rho\sigma}^i \\
&= \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}(\partial_{\nu} A_{\mu}^i - \partial_{\mu} A_{\nu}^i)F_{\rho\sigma}^i \\
&= -2\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_{\mu} A_{\nu}^i F_{\rho\sigma}^i \\
&= -\frac 1 2 \partial_\mu\left(\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}A_\nu^i F_{\rho\sigma}^i\right) + \frac 1 2 \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}A_\nu^i \partial_\mu F_{\rho\sigma}^i
\end{align*}

Mmm how to deal with the ##\frac 1 2 \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}A_\nu^i \partial_\mu F_{\rho\sigma}^i## term though? I thought of Bianchi identity for ##F_{\mu\nu}## but I do not think it is going to lead us to the desired result.
Not sure how you convert the 2 to a 1/2, but the idea is OK. Using the definition of ##F## and symmetry is not difficult to show that
$$\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_\mu F_{\rho\sigma}^i=0$$

JD_PM said:
I advanced just a bit: ##A^4## term is symmetric so
Yes... But I think is not completely trivial to show how the symmetry of ##A^4## cancels this term.
 
The authors seem to be using the definition ##F_i^{\mu \nu} := \partial^{\mu} A^{\nu}_i - \partial^{\nu} A^{\mu}_i## so let us use it as well from here on.

Gaussian97 said:
Not sure how you convert the 2 to a 1/2

Oops indeed, we have

\begin{align*}
&\partial_\mu\left(\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}A_\nu^i F_{\rho\sigma}^i\right) =\underbrace{\partial_\mu(\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma})A_\nu^i F_{\rho\sigma}^i}_{=0} + \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_\mu A_\nu^i F_{\rho\sigma}^i + \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}A_\nu^i \partial_\mu F_{\rho\sigma}^i \\
&\Rightarrow 2\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_\mu A_\nu^i F_{\rho\sigma}^i = 2\partial_\mu\left(\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}A_\nu^i F_{\rho\sigma}^i\right) - 2\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}A_\nu^i \partial_\mu F_{\rho\sigma}^i
\end{align*}

Then

\begin{align*}
\varepsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}F_i^{\mu\nu}F^{\rho\sigma}_i &= \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}F^i_{\mu\nu}F_{\rho\sigma}^i \\
&= \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}(\partial_{\mu} A_{\nu}^i - \partial_{\nu} A_{\mu}^i)F_{\rho\sigma}^i \\
&= 2\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_{\mu} A_{\nu}^i F_{\rho\sigma}^i \\
&= 2 \partial_\mu\left(\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}A_\nu^i F_{\rho\sigma}^i\right) - 2 \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}A_\nu^i \partial_\mu F_{\rho\sigma}^i
\end{align*}

Mmm so there is a 2 factor mismatch between your result and mine.

Gaussian97 said:
Using the definition of ##F## and symmetry is not difficult to show that
$$\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_\mu F_{\rho\sigma}^i=0$$

\begin{align*}
\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_\mu F_{\rho\sigma}^i &= \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_\mu(\partial_\rho A_\sigma^i - \partial_\sigma A_\rho^i)\\
&= \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_\mu \partial_\rho A_\sigma^i - \varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_\mu \partial_\sigma A_\rho^i \\
&= 0
\end{align*}

Where we noticed that the object ##\partial_\mu \partial_\rho A_\sigma^i## is symmetric under ##\mu \leftrightarrow \rho## and is contracted with the object ##\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}##, which is antisymmetric under ##\mu \leftrightarrow \rho##. Hence ##\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_\mu \partial_\rho A_\sigma^i = 0##. Analogously, ##\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_\mu \partial_\sigma A_\rho^i=0##
 
So let us now draw our attention back to the main prove. We first see that ##\varepsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma} g_s f_{ilm}F_i^{\mu \nu}A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma} + \varepsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma} g_s f_{ijk} F_i^{\rho \sigma} A_j^{\mu} A_k^{\nu} = 2 \varepsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}g_s f_{ilm}F_i^{\mu \nu}A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma}##, given that ##\varepsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma} = \varepsilon_{\rho\sigma\mu\nu}##.

All is left is to work out the term (let me drop the 2 factor for the explicit computation) ##\varepsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}g_s f_{ilm}F_i^{\mu \nu}A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma}##

\begin{align*}
\varepsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}g_s f_{ilm}F_i^{\mu \nu}A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma} &= \varepsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}g_s f_{ilm}(\partial^\mu A^\nu_i - \partial^\nu A^\mu_i)A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma} \\
&= 2 \varepsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma} g_s f_{ilm} \partial^\mu A^\nu_i A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma}\\
&= \frac 2 3 \partial^\mu (\varepsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma} g_s f_{ilm} A^\nu_i A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma})\\
&= \partial^\mu (\varepsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma} A^\nu_i A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma}) -\frac 1 3 \partial^\mu (\varepsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma} A^\nu_i A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma})
\end{align*}

This smells really good! 😋 (at least to me!)

We finally have

\begin{align*}
G \cdot \tilde G &= \varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} G_i^{\mu \nu}G_i^{\rho \sigma}\\
&=\varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} (F_i^{\mu \nu} + g_s f_{ijk} A_j^{\mu} A_k^{\nu})(F_i^{\rho \sigma} + g_s f_{ilm} A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma})\\
&=\varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} (F_i^{\mu \nu}F_i^{\rho \sigma} + g_s f_{ilm}F_i^{\mu \nu}A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma} + g_s f_{ijk} A_j^{\mu} A_k^{\nu} F_i^{\rho \sigma} + g^2_sf_{ijk}f_{ilm}A_j^{\mu} A_k^{\nu}A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma})\\
&=\varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} (F_i^{\mu \nu}F_i^{\rho \sigma} + g_s f_{ilm}F_i^{\mu \nu}A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma} + g_s f_{ijk} A_j^{\mu} A_k^{\nu} F_i^{\rho \sigma})\\
&= \varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} (F_i^{\mu \nu}F_i^{\rho \sigma} + 2g_s f_{ilm}F_i^{\mu \nu}A_l^{\rho} A_m^{\sigma})\\
&= 2\partial_{\mu}(\varepsilon^{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} A_{\nu}^i [G_{\rho \sigma}^i - \frac{g_s}{3}f_{ijk} A_{j\rho} A_{k\sigma}])
\end{align*}

Mmm so my result has a 2 extra factor...

This issue is simply solved by redefining ##G \cdot \tilde G := \frac 1 2 \varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} G_i^{\mu \nu}G_i^{\rho \sigma}## but I might have missed some detail in the computation and that is why I get the 2 extra factor

What do you think? :biggrin:
 
Ok, I think the factor 2 is due to the definition of ##\tilde{G}##, but anyway I don't think it is really important.
Regarding your proof, there are some technical details missing, but I think that you have the general idea.
 
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Gaussian97 said:
Ok, I think the factor 2 is due to the definition of ##\tilde{G}##

Oh indeed! The Hodge dual tensor is actually defined as ##\tilde{G}_{i\mu \nu} := \frac 1 2 \varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho\sigma} G_i^{\rho \sigma}## (I made the analogy from QED from here) so the 2 factor is taken care by the ##\frac 1 2## included in the dual tensor, so the guess was right! :smile:

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I have recently started to learn more about gauge theories in the context of particle physics and it is a truly fascinating subject. I am currently reading these fantastic notes written by Australian physicist Rod Crewther.

Another discussion in which I have learned A LOT. Thank you very much @Gaussian97, I hope to come across you very very soon.
 
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