Undergrad Can Non-Separable ODEs Be Solved with Coordinate Transformations?

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The discussion centers on the challenges of solving a non-separable ordinary differential equation (ODE) involving the function E(v) and its derivatives. The equation initially presented is flawed, leading to a reevaluation of the terms and their dependencies. The participants explore coordinate transformations and relationships between variables like E, v, a, t, and c, which represent physical concepts such as time and speed. Despite attempts to derive a solution through transformations, the complexity remains, indicating potential misinterpretations in variable dependencies. The conversation highlights the intricacies of handling non-separable ODEs and the importance of clear definitions in mathematical modeling.
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I fell upon such an equation :

$$-E'(v)a(1+\frac{cE(v)}{\sqrt{E(v)^2-1}})=vE(v)+c\sqrt{E(v)^2-1}$$

It's not separable in E on one side and v expression on the other.

So I'm looking for methods to solve this maybe changes of coordinates ?
 
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Assuming E(v) is positive we can transform it to
-FdE=dv
where
F=\frac{a(1+\frac{c}{\sqrt{1-E^{-2}}})}{E(v+c\sqrt{1-E^{-2}})}
 
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This does not help since F still depends on v.
 
Ah, you are right.
Then I try
E=\coth w and get
a(\sinh w +c\cosh w)\frac{dw}{dv}+v\cosh w+c\sinh w=0
It is not separable yet.

E should be dimensionless. Are a,c and v are also dimensionless parameters? If not I am afraid there is something wrong in your equation.
 
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You're right this equation is wrong. I'll look at the calculation again.
 
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It shall read :

$$-E'(v)*t*a(v+\frac{cE(v)}{\sqrt{E(v)^2-1}})=vE(v)+c\sqrt{E(v)^2-1}$$

But it anyhow is wrong since there shall be derivatives towards v and t.

Thanks for your help.
 
If you explain physical meanings of E, v, a, t ,c and v, I would be able to consider more to help you.
 
E is supposed to be an analog to the gamma factor, t time, a acceleration, c speed of light and v speed.

But the derivation of the equation is wrong. I wrote a coordinate transformation ##x'=A(v,t)x+B(v,t)t##, ##t'=D(v,t)x+E(v,t)t##

The equations are ##c^2t'^2-x'^2=c^2t^2-x^2## and ##\frac{dx'}{dt'}|_{x=0}=-v##

A mistake I made came while computing ##dx'## only with a partial derivative towards ##v##.
 
x'=Ax+Bct
ct'=Dx+Ect
c^2t'^2-x'^2=(E^2-B^2)c^2t^2-(A^2-D^2)x^2+2(DE-AB)xct
So
E=\cosh \phi
B=\sinh \phi
A=\cosh \psi
D= \sinh \psi

\frac{x'}{ct'}|_{x=0}=\frac{B}{E}=-\frac{v}{c}
\frac{x}{ct}|_{x'=0}=-\frac{D}{A}=\frac{v}{c}
So
\phi = \psi
\tanh\phi=-\frac{v}{c}
E=A= \cosh \phi=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}
B=D= \sinh \phi=\frac{-v/c}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}
 
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Nice, I took a wrong start with writing dependencies of ##A,B,D,E## wrt v and t and then taking the differential ##dx'##, making the equations unsolvable.
 
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The question is explained so vaguely that it's impossible to tell whether a is a function or a constant.
 
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But is it a problem that A is a function of v but v is a constant. So when we plot A(v), v varies, but it varies in function of what ? Human free choice or it could be safe to say that the unknowns depends on the known or given variables ?
 
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Could you please tell us the exact source for this problem?
 
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I think I got knotted in a circular reasoning :

If B(v), then allowing to change v (for any kind of ground) induces a dv/dt, then the hypothesis was wrong and in fact B(a,v), aso, such that the ODE is of infinite degree since ##B(\{\frac{d^n v}{dt^n}\}_{n=0}^\infty)##
 

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