Can O2 combine with H2 to form water without activation energy?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether hydrogen gas (H2) and oxygen gas (O2) can react to form water without the presence of activation energy. Participants explore the conditions under which this reaction might occur, including temperature effects and kinetic energy considerations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if H2 and O2 can react without activation energy, acknowledging the typical requirement for activation energy to initiate the reaction.
  • Another participant explains that at room temperature, a small fraction of gas molecules may have sufficient kinetic energy to react, but this fraction is very small, suggesting the reaction would take an extremely long time without additional energy input.
  • A subsequent participant confirms that lower temperatures decrease the probability of reaction due to fewer molecules having high kinetic energy, seeking clarification on this point.
  • One participant reiterates the relationship between reaction rate and temperature, referencing the exponential dependence on activation energy and temperature, indicating that reaction rates decrease significantly as temperature drops.
  • Another participant asserts that activation energy is still necessary for the reaction to occur, reinforcing the initial claim about the need for activation energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that activation energy is required for the reaction to occur, but there is discussion about the likelihood of reaction at different temperatures and the implications of kinetic energy distribution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to the Boltzmann distribution and the mathematical relationship governing reaction rates, but does not resolve the implications of these factors in practical scenarios.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying chemical kinetics, thermodynamics, or anyone curious about the conditions necessary for chemical reactions to occur.

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Let say that I have hydrogen gas and oxygen gas mix together, is there any chance that some H2 and O2 will react to form water without doing anything to it? I know that there needs to be activation energy to start the reaction, but are there any chance of reaction happening without activation energy? Thank you
 
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Even at room temperature, some small fraction of the gas molecules has high enough kinetic energy to react with each other (look up Boltzmann distribution). However, the fraction is very small and the reaction would probably take literally billions of years at room temp.
 
Thank you, so in lower temperature the less probability of H2 and O2 combining is lower because the gas molecule with high kinetic is less than high temperature, did I understand it correctly?
 
Yes, the reaction rate is proportional to ##e^{-\frac{E_{a}}{kT}}##, where ##E_{a}## is the activation energy and ##k## is the Boltzmann constant. Because of the behavior of the exponential function, the reaction rate very rapidly becomes slower when temperature is decreased.
 
hilbert2 said:
Yes, the reaction rate is proportional to ##e^{-\frac{E_{a}}{kT}}##, where ##E_{a}## is the activation energy and ##k## is the Boltzmann constant. Because of the behavior of the exponential function, the reaction rate very rapidly becomes slower when temperature is decreased.

Thank you, now I understand
 
kevin_tee said:
I know that there needs to be activation energy to start the reaction, but are there any chance of reaction happening without activation energy? Thank you

No, you still need activation energy.

2~H_{2}(g)+O_{2}(g)~\xrightarrow{\Delta}~2~H_{2}O(g)~\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \Delta H^{\circ}=-483.6~kJ~mol^{-1}
 

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