Can Obama Achieve Oil Independence?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of achieving oil independence in the United States, particularly in the context of policies proposed during Obama's administration. Participants explore various strategies, potential challenges, and the implications of energy independence, touching on theoretical, practical, and societal aspects.

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  • Some participants suggest that achieving oil independence would require radical policy changes, significant investment in transport infrastructure, and a cultural shift away from car dependency.
  • Others argue that while energy independence is a worthy goal, it may not be achievable in the near future due to societal habits and economic factors.
  • A few participants propose that high fuel prices could incentivize energy efficiency and public transit use, while others express skepticism about the effectiveness of such measures.
  • Some contributions highlight the potential benefits of alternative energy sources, including solar, wind, and biofuels, while questioning the current capacity of these industries to meet demand.
  • There are humorous suggestions about military solutions, which are met with counterarguments regarding their impracticality and the realities of military expenditures.
  • Discussions also touch on the importance of energy-efficient building practices and the challenges associated with implementing them in the U.S.

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Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the feasibility of oil independence. While some agree on the necessity of policy changes and public support, others remain doubtful about the practicality and timeline for achieving such goals.

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  • #91
Gokul43201 said:
Time to get rolling already. But what's the solution to NIMBY?
Bribery - would you like to pay no sales tax, would you like a 1000 new jobs.
Threats - alternatively we could build a 4Gw coal fired station, of course it would mean a few 1000 trucks a day carrying coal through your small village.
USEBY - (use somebody elses backyard) let the French build the power stations and buy the power from them.
 
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  • #92
Bribery is how landfill companies do it and they don't have anywhere near the money of a nuclear plant construction project, so I don't see that adding a significant cost to nuclear plant construction.
 
  • #93
russ_watters said:
Bribery is how landfill companies do it and they don't have anywhere near the money of a nuclear plant construction project, so I don't see that adding a significant cost to nuclear plant construction.

:biggrin:
 
  • #94
There was a 60 Minutes piece about this a few years ago, but googling "landfill benefit residents" gives you a lot of good hits:
KEKAHA — Concerned citizens packed the Kekaha Neighborhood Center Monday night to begin a long-term discussion on how the residents should spend the hundreds of thousands of dollars they will receive from the county as compensation for the existing landfill outside of town.

Kekaha will receive a $650,000 upfront “host community benefit” for housing the soon-to-be-expanded landfill, and will continue to receive annual funding, potentially as high as six figures each year, based on how much tonnage of rubbish is brought to the Westside facility, officials said.

In trying to help the community decide how to allocate those funds, the county proposed the idea of a 13-person Citizens Advisory Committee.
http://savekauai.org/waste-%2526-recycling/kekaha-residents-bandy-landfill-benefits
 
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  • #95
A practical note: Today I received my first request ever [for engineering services] from a wind power company.

I've been wanting to go up one of those :biggrin:
 

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