Can Objects Shrink or Enlarge According to Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical possibility of objects shrinking or enlarging according to physics. Participants explore various physical laws, principles, and hypothetical scenarios related to this concept, including implications for macroscopic objects and atomic structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question what laws of physics deny the possibility of objects changing size, suggesting it may be theoretically possible.
  • One participant proposes that altering vacuum energy density between Casimir plates could affect the size of objects by influencing electric charge screening.
  • Another participant discusses the need to create mass from energy (E=mc^2) to enlarge an object and expresses skepticism about the feasibility of shrinking macroscopic objects.
  • A suggestion is made that changing the electron configuration around an atom could lead to a reduction in the space within the atom, potentially allowing for size changes.
  • The square-cube law is introduced as a fundamental limitation for enlarging objects, indicating that mass increases cubically while structural strength increases quadratically, posing challenges for supporting larger sizes.
  • A participant references Lorentz transformations to discuss length contraction at relativistic speeds, questioning if this relates to the original inquiry.
  • Thermal expansion and contraction are mentioned, noting that heating or cooling can cause size changes, albeit in small coefficients.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the feasibility of shrinking or enlarging objects. Some ideas are contested, particularly regarding the implications of physical laws and the practicality of proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of size, the assumptions underlying the square-cube law, and the unresolved nature of how energy transformations might apply to macroscopic changes.

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I know this sounds like a cheesy movie. But what laws of physics or equations denies this from occurring? Or is it theoretically possible?
 
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Hmm... maybe between Casimir plates or some such, the vacuum energy density can be altered so as to affect (reduce or increase) the screening of electric charges. Basically, the size of objects seems to be determined by the (apparent) charge of the electron; if the electromagnetic interaction were stronger then the scale of atoms (and hence matter) should be smaller. How's that for sci-fi material?
 
Well if you wanted to enlarge something in some proportionality to your original object you'd need to create some amount of mass from pure energy E=mc^2. You have to find out how to do this first.
If you can get the mass elsewhere then you might as well simply conventionally build the desired object?
As for shrinking something macroscopic... kaboom! I can't see it working on a macroscopic level.

So to answer your question as for enlarging/shrinking macroscopic objects by some sort of 'diabolical ray beam device' it would be the energy costs/massive explosions.
 
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What if you changed the electron configuration surrounding an atom? Since 99% of the atom is empty space. If you closed that gap everything should come together closer right?
 
If you're referring to something like 'Them' or 'The Attack of the Fifty-Foot Woman', the basic barrier is the 'square-cube rule'. By whatever means you manage to fill in the gaps to maintain a solid structure, that rule holds. As someone enlarges, the mass increases as the cube of the expansion; the structural strength of the bones and connective tissues increases as the square. At some point, the thing is simply not capable of supporting its own weight.
 
The Lorentz transformations may be useful here in short:

[tex]l = l' \sqrt{1 - \frac{u^2}{c^2}[/tex]

[tex]u =[/tex] velocity
[tex]c =[/tex]speed of light
[tex]l' =[/tex]length in inertial frame
[tex]l =[/tex]length in reference frame

thus an object moving at all will "contract" by an amount, according to relativity:

[tex]\sqrt{1 - \frac{u^2}{c^2}[/tex]

But perhaps I've misunderstood the question?
 
Heating (cooling) will cause objects to expand (shrink). The coefficients are small though, something like a factor of 10^-6 per degree C or something of that order. Polymers can get up to maybe 10^-4 per degree C?

The obvious upper limit is melting the object before it gets big enough!

Claude.
 

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