Can one succeed in university solely through hard work?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether success in university can be achieved solely through hard work, particularly in the context of studying mathematics. Participants share their personal experiences and perspectives on the relationship between effort, innate ability, and academic performance in higher education.

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  • Some participants suggest that a combination of talent and hard work is necessary for success in university, arguing that hard work can significantly enhance one's capabilities.
  • One participant shares their personal experience of graduating with a high GPA despite feeling inadequate, emphasizing that hard work can compensate for perceived lack of intelligence.
  • Another participant argues that not everyone can succeed in mathematics regardless of effort, highlighting the challenges of understanding proofs and the variability in individual aptitude.
  • Some participants encourage self-study and exploration of proof-based mathematics to gauge one's suitability for the subject.
  • There is a sentiment that external judgments about one's abilities may be premature and that personal development takes time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of innate ability versus hard work for success in university. While some believe hard work can lead to success, others contend that certain individuals may struggle regardless of effort. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Participants reference personal experiences and anecdotal evidence, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion touches on the transition from high school to university-level mathematics, particularly the shift to proof-based learning, which may not be reflected in prior academic performance.

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I'm a senior in high school and next year I would like to study mathematics in my capital city. I love studying math in general and I've always gotten A's on my math/physics tests without much preparation. However my parents have always been telling me that I shouldn't do that because there is no chance of me passing the tests, because I'm not smart enough. And lately whenever I ask something in the homework help forum. I feel kinda stressed because once someone shows me the trick to the problem I often think to myself :"I should have known that." and I feel that other people are asking so much harder questions, some of which I can't even dream of how to solve at my level and because of that I sometimes feel kinda stupid and I'm starting to believe what my parents are telling me
My question would be:
Is it possible for someone to succeed in an university just by working really hard?
 
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Matejxx1 said:
Is it possible for someone to succeed in an university just by working really hard?

I think you need a certain amount of affinity with and talent for the subject, but that you have already shown. If you combine this with working hard, it can get you very far. I don't know you, of course, but my advice would be to ignore your parents and give it a try. Otherwise, later on you may be sorry that you didn't. Math is a good start, and if you do not feel comfortable with your choice, you can switch to a number of related majors (think of physics, computer science etc.) with relatively little time loss. At least this is how it works where I'm from.
 
Matejxx1 said:
I'm a senior in high school and next year I would like to study mathematics in my capital city. I love studying math in general and I've always gotten A's on my math/physics tests without much preparation. However my parents have always been telling me that I shouldn't do that because there is no chance of me passing the tests, because I'm not smart enough. And lately whenever I ask something in the homework help forum. I feel kinda stressed because once someone shows me the trick to the problem I often think to myself :"I should have known that." and I feel that other people are asking so much harder questions, some of which I can't even dream of how to solve at my level and because of that I sometimes feel kinda stupid and I'm starting to believe what my parents are telling me
My question would be:
Is it possible for someone to succeed in an university just by working really hard?

Yes. I'm dumb as a rock, and I graduate university in a couple of months with a physics degree and a 4.0 GPA. All throughout my undergraduate career, not once has a professor asked me a question during lecture that I've been able to answer correctly. Not once. It just means you'll have to work much harder than others. It means your professors may look down on you for asking "stupid" questions, or for not getting something that was explained a million times. If you really are quite stupid (which I can guarantee you are not), you can get through university just by working hard.

I'll put a disclaimer here, though. I went to a state school, not an Ivy League or even a reputable school. Maybe someone will be able to tell me whether you can get through a more rigorous curriculum (or even graduate school) just by working hard.
 
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Dishsoap said:
I'm dumb as a rock
Rocks are very underrated. I have never heard a rock say anything stupid.
 
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Matejxx1 said:
Is it possible for someone to succeed in an university just by working really hard?
This is how most people succeed.
 
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Matejxx1 said:
Is it possible for someone to succeed in an university just by working really hard?

No, it isn't. Not everybody can do math. Some people will never get it, doesn't matter how hard they work.

That said, you have obtained all A's so that's a good sign. But university mathematics an all other ball-game. It requires you to do proofs, which might be new to you. Some people go into math with all A's and just don't seem to get proofs, they can't handle it. On the other hand, some people go into math with bad grades and it seems to be their thing and they do very well. So while your A's mean you understand the basic stuff (which is good), it gives no indication on how you'll do with proofs.

So can you succeed in math? I cannot know. You cannot know. Your parents cannot know. It is something you must find out for yourself. I would advise you to start self-studying some proofy math now to see how you like it and if you can handle it. I am willing to help you with this, PM me if interested.
 
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Matejxx1 said:
I'm a senior in high school and next year I would like to study mathematics in my capital city. I love studying math in general and I've always gotten A's on my math/physics tests without much preparation. However my parents have always been telling me that I shouldn't do that because there is no chance of me passing the tests, because I'm not smart enough. And lately whenever I ask something in the homework help forum. I feel kinda stressed because once someone shows me the trick to the problem I often think to myself :"I should have known that." and I feel that other people are asking so much harder questions, some of which I can't even dream of how to solve at my level and because of that I sometimes feel kinda stupid and I'm starting to believe what my parents are telling me
My question would be:
Is it possible for someone to succeed in an university just by working really hard?
You have not studied hard and long enough yet to know if you are cut-out for Mathematics. Other people are making judgements about you before you have taken enough time to develop, so they do not know.
 
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