Can paranoia and arrogance be helpful

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of paranoia and arrogance, exploring whether these traits can be justified under certain circumstances. Participants examine the implications of perceived superiority and the conditions under which paranoia may be considered reasonable, particularly in relation to social hierarchies and personal experiences.

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  • One participant questions whether arrogance can be justified if one is genuinely superior to others, suggesting that superiority could be based on various standards.
  • Another participant argues that arrogance is an attitude independent of actual superiority, emphasizing that it does not justify contempt for others.
  • A participant presents an analogy involving a professional athlete to illustrate the idea that recognizing one's superiority does not necessitate demeaning others.
  • Concerns are raised about paranoia being justified in cases where there is actual stalking or threat, contrasting this with unjustified paranoia associated with mental illness.
  • One participant shares personal experiences and theories regarding intelligence, suggesting that high IQ does not necessarily correlate with capability in all areas, and that individuals with lower IQs can succeed in various fields.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the necessity of limiting leadership positions based on IQ, questioning the electorate's ability to choose competent leaders.

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Participants express differing views on the justification of arrogance and paranoia, with no consensus reached on whether these traits can be deemed helpful or harmful in specific contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of superiority and the nature of paranoia.

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Some arguments depend on subjective definitions of superiority and the context of paranoia, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion touches on complex psychological and social dynamics without reaching definitive conclusions.

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Thinks like paranoia and arrogance.

im sure you know what they are and can think of related conditions.

take arrogance.
"Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others: an arrogant contempt for the weak."

my question is. what if your literally justified in being such a way.

That you are indeed definitely superior to other(s)

or in paranoia. that you are indeed being watched and etc.

while these may be very very rare cases and psychologist may never have to deal with such things. What if the situation is legit. is it really like a bad thing that arrogance is portrayed as.
 
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Seems to me there is a basic error in your question.

Arrogance is an attitude that doesn't depend on whether you really are superior (by what standard?) or not. The fact that you are, by some standard, superior, doesn't justify being arrogant about it.

Paranoia is a medical condition that doesn't depend on whether you really have enemies or not. It can be diagnosed even if there is someone stalking the subject, and the existence of the stalker doesn't make the condition go away.
 
as for standard i don't know doesn't matter. Take the American dream or something. The people at the bottom are aspiring to be the top or near the top. So in a way. The top people are superior to the bottom people.

regardless to what standard. you can even take IQ. it doesn't matter really. I am just saying. if the person was superior.

While perhaps not acting in contempt of the lesser others. like not giving them equal opportunity. Like you can have everyone with equal stature. but simply you are superior so it would be against fact to act like your not superior to the person in that sense(standard)

i know my english sucks so let me give an example(analogy)

Professional Hockey Player Wayne Gretsky
vs
Newbie Joe Smith from No-wheres Ville

Wayne Gretsky wins with no trouble. This is because he vastly superior in the hockey world.
For wayne gretsky to act like joe smith is anywhere near as good a player as he is would simply be stupid. Does Wayne act in contempt like Joe shouldn't live or something. or act like joe shouldn't be in his presence. now that's like ego problems.

i don't know i might be messing up with what arrogance means. and simply being superior.

as for the paranoia. What if you have this condition BECAUSE of the stalker. and the fix for the condition is the removal of the stalker.

again, you the english. and here comes the analogy.

Im doing my 9-5 everyday and so on. I am completely normal. the stalker(cops or freak) shows up and the evidence of him shows itself.and you become paranoid because of this. and you stop trusting people(as since you don't know who it is). then the cops catch the freak or the cops themselves screw off. so basically stalker goes away. and evidence shows this. and paranoia goes away.

isnt that paranoia justified?
 
Yes, paranoia when you have a stalker is justified...and yes some people are better at some things than others such as math or physics or the tuba. Occasionally they may get frustrated with people who are not as competent.

Unjustified paranoia comes with mental illness. For example, someone I know is a paranoid schizophrenic. She believes that everyone is trying to poison her and in order to get her to drink something you have to drink out of her cup first and wait a few minutes so she knows there is not poison in her drink. She is like this with EVERYONE. That paranoia is unjustified.

Supremacist groups believe that they are somehow better than other groups for whatever reason. They are demeaning toward the groups that they believe are inferior, this is unjustified.

I am also getting a feeling that this thread is inappropriate for this topic area unless you are going to get into neurobiological aspects of these character traits.
 
CosminaPrisma said:
I am also getting a feeling that this thread is inappropriate for this topic area unless you are going to get into neurobiological aspects of these character traits.
Im sorry for that. I really never know exactly where i should post threads.
this was the mind sciences place for psychology. So well ya.

To be honest i don't know anything or well very limited amounts neurobiology.

Ok you answered my question on paranoia. as for arrogance. I agree again.

Personally I must admit. I have an IQ which ranges 140-145 tested many times on many differnet platforms. So in the IQ standard I would be above average. Do I think that i should purify the lesser IQ people? definitely not.

In fact i have a theory which has been seen before, and portrayed in a couple movies.

A person of IQ 90. can do the job of a person with IQ 120. HEre is a real life example that i personally have seen and met the people. I won't use their real names. Ill use a demeaning one to just give the idea.

So you have Bruno. He got tested and had an IQ of like 92, which since has been lowered to 90. HE is an athelete, kickboxer and soccer. His grades were absolutely nothing. his teachers gave him a pass just so he could play on the soccer team. he was a very good player(according to people, i couldn't tell you lol). for his grade 12 he pulled up his socks and got something like 97% average. He then went on competing with a ex-co-worker friend for #1 position in engineering(bachelors)(which is big in my area) and such a position is very well payed out, with choice of what company to work for.)

for a movie example.
Eddie Murphy in trading places.
He is like a homeless man who trades places with a rich white man who works in stock market. and he uses common knowledge and successfully plays stocks.

So when it comes down to it. it really doesn't matter of IQ. Except when you get to real specialist(unique) jobs. In my opinion. World leader positions should be limited to average or above IQ. Steven HArper having an IQ of 12 disqualifies him. o:) o:) o:) o:)
 
World leader positions don't need to be limited, how could a country such as the United States's majority of its electorate decide on somebody with an IQ of ~80? It wouldn't happen. People don't want retarded people ruling their country.
 
Mk said:
World leader positions don't need to be limited, how could a country such as the United States's majority of its electorate decide on somebody with an IQ of ~80? It wouldn't happen. People don't want retarded people ruling their country.

but current leadership in the states is led by george bush...
 

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