Can Protons Be Produced in Electron-Positron Annihilation?

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The discussion centers around the possibility of producing protons through electron-positron annihilation, exploring the conditions under which this might occur, the energy requirements, and the terminology related to annihilation and scattering. Participants also touch on experimental evidence and theoretical calculations related to this process.

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  • One participant questions whether protons can be produced in electron-positron collisions and seeks information on previous occurrences and energy requirements.
  • Another participant notes that protons are hadrons, implying they can be produced in such collisions.
  • A participant mentions that while protons can be produced, the probability of producing only a proton and an antiproton is very low due to their composition of three valence quarks of equal flavor.
  • One participant cites the DELPHI experiment at LEP as evidence that protons have been measured as products in high-energy electron-positron collisions.
  • A technical contribution provides a calculation of the cross section for proton-antiproton production, suggesting that the cross section is significantly lower than that for other processes, and notes the energy threshold required for production.
  • Another participant raises a question about the position of the electron in relation to magnetic and electric fields, indicating a potential confusion about the terminology used in the discussion.

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Participants generally agree that protons can be produced in electron-positron collisions, but there is uncertainty regarding the specifics of the process, including the likelihood of producing only protons and antiprotons and the energy requirements. The discussion remains unresolved on some technical aspects and definitions.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the production probabilities and the specific energy calculations, which may depend on various factors not fully explored in the posts.

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I'm trying to understand electron-positron collisions and I've got a few questions if you don't mind :)

I know hadrons can be created through electron-positron annihilation. Can protons be produced like this? Has it been done before? How much energy would be required? How do you figure the amount of energy needed?

Also, does annihilation occur due to scattering? I think I'm confused on that terminology.

Thanks!
 
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proton is a hadron
 
I know, but I can't find any information on if it's been done before.
 
noon0788 said:
I know, but I can't find any information on if it's been done before.

in high e+e- collisions one produces quark- antiquark pais, which hadronizes. The probability that only a proton and an antiproton is produced is close to 0 since they consists together of 3 valance quarks and of equal flavour.
 
noon0788 said:
I know, but I can't find any information on if it's been done before.

Yes, protons are among the measured products in high energy electron-positron collisions. An internet search shows, for example, the DELPHI experiment at LEP that among other things measured identified hadrons (including protons):

http://delphiwww.cern.ch/
 
The leading factor in the cross section for electron-positron (pair) production by photons (electromagnetic) is

σ0 = (1/137) (e2/mec2)2 = 0.58 x 10-27 cm2 = 0.58 millibarns

where me is the electron mass, so by substuting the proton mass Mp, the cross section for pbar-p (proton anti-proton) production in electron positron collisions is probably down by 18362, so

σ0 = ~2 x 10-34 cm2 = 200 picobarns for pbar-p production,

at collision energies well above 2 GeV (threshold to produce one p and one p-bar) in the center of mass. Equation 37.3 in

http://pdg.lbl.gov/2002/kinemarpp.pdf

gives the transformation from the energy in the lab frame to the energy in the center of mass frame.

Bob S

[added] The above very crude pbar-p production cross section estimate is probably missing an extra factor of 1/137. Also see page 10 of

http://moriond.in2p3.fr/QCD/2003/monday/Lin.pdf

for differential pbar-p cross section yields (units in picobarns) in the L3 CERN-LEP experiment.
 
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what is position of the electron in the both magnetic field and elect. fild will be parellel ?
 

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