Why Do Positrons Lose Energy Before Annihilating With Electrons?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of positrons when they collide with electrons, specifically addressing why positrons lose energy before annihilating. Participants explore the conditions under which positrons interact with electrons, including different environments such as particle colliders and materials, and the implications for annihilation processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that positrons lose energy rapidly in collisions with electrons but do not annihilate immediately, prompting a question about the reasons behind this behavior.
  • Another participant requests a reputable source for the claim made about positron behavior, indicating skepticism about the initial assertion.
  • A participant notes that the context of the discussion involves the decay of the Na22 nuclide, expressing confusion about how positrons could collide with electrons without annihilation occurring.
  • It is proposed that the setting significantly affects the interactions; in particle colliders, positrons and electrons are expected to annihilate quickly, while in other materials, positrons may be stopped before annihilation occurs.
  • One participant emphasizes that electrons and positrons interact through electromagnetic forces, which allows for energy transfer without immediate annihilation.
  • Another participant mentions that the probability of annihilation is higher at lower energies, explaining that positrons typically lose energy in materials before annihilating, unlike in high-energy collider environments.
  • There is a reiteration that in colliders, positrons often collide elastically and may not encounter electrons to annihilate, while in matter, they lose energy through repeated collisions before annihilation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions affecting positron annihilation, with some agreeing that energy loss occurs before annihilation in certain settings, while others emphasize the differences between collider and material interactions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of these interactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various environments (particle colliders vs. materials) and conditions (energy levels) that influence positron behavior, but there are no settled definitions or assumptions regarding these interactions.

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I thought that when positrons and electrons collide they annihilate straight away, giving up energy in forms of photons and other particles. However, I'm reading through some notes and they suggest that the positron loses energy rapidily in collisions with electrons but does not annihilate until it has slowed down sufficiently.

Is this correct, why does the positron lose energy so rapidly in collisions but not annihilate straight away?

Thanks
 
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Can you provide a reputable source for where you read this? "Some notes" is not very helpful.
 
Some notes that I have for a lab module I am doing at University, its just a folder of pre lab notes not like a published source or anything
 
I would say it depends completely on the setting. In a particle collider, you would typically smash them together and get all of the energy out. If you have positrons imponging on some material, they may very well be stopped before finding an electron to annihilate with - giving a characteristic photon pair with energy 0.5 MeV for each photon.
 
The context given is in the decay of Na22 nuclide and I just don't understand how the positron created could ever collide with an electron without annihilation occurring.
 
You are probably thinking of electrons and positrons as small balls that collide if they hit each other. This is not a very accurate description. Electrons and positrons interact through electromagnetic interactions which generally act at a distance. Energy and momentum can be transferred between a positron and a target electron without an annihilation occurring.
 
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The probability for an annihilation is much larger at lower energy. If you shoot a positron at low energies (MeV or below) into a material as it typically happens in radioactive decays, the positron usually loses most of its energy before it annihilates.

In colliders, that process cannot happen (there is no time for the positrons to lose their energy) - you get a few interactions at high energy.
 
mfb said:
The probability for an annihilation is much larger at lower energy. If you shoot a positron at low energies (MeV or below) into a material as it typically happens in radioactive decays, the positron usually loses most of its energy before it annihilates.

In colliders, that process cannot happen (there is no time for the positrons to lose their energy) - you get a few interactions at high energy.
Perhaps it is better to say that it does not have space to happen?

Most positrons that collide in colliders collide elastically, and once they fly away with most of their energy they will meet nothing - they are not interesting, and the few that do annihilate at high energy are examined.
In matter, the positrons (most) that do not annihilate at high speed go on to lose some energy and, still being in matter, collide repeatedly and lose more energy until they do annihilate - usually after they have lost most of their energy.
 

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