Can RGB LED simulate incandescent bulb 'glow'?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenge of simulating the warm glow of incandescent bulbs using RGB LED strips. Participants explore the differences in light quality and color mixing between RGB LEDs and traditional incandescent lighting, considering both technical and perceptual aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their experience with RGB LEDs, noting the difficulty in achieving a soft amber-yellow glow similar to incandescent bulbs.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of metamerism, suggesting that it may explain the limitations of RGB LEDs in replicating incandescent light.
  • Some participants propose alternatives, such as using amber LEDs or LED filaments designed to mimic incandescent bulbs, while acknowledging the trade-off in color control.
  • A later reply discusses the role of phosphors in LED technology, suggesting that they may provide a better match to the warm light of incandescent bulbs compared to RGB LEDs.
  • Participants express disappointment over the inability of RGB LEDs to achieve the desired amber shade, despite their versatility in producing a range of colors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that RGB LEDs struggle to replicate the warm glow of incandescent bulbs due to their narrow-band emission characteristics. However, there is no consensus on a definitive solution, with multiple competing views on potential alternatives and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific LED technologies and the subjective nature of color perception, which may vary among individuals.

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Maybe more of an optics/biology question than electrical, but...

My wife wanted some lighting on a cabinet nick-knack shelf. I thought it would be fun/interesting to use a strip of RGB LEDs and a controller to adjust the light color to whatever we wanted, plus the LEDs would be less heat and mostly low voltage wiring.

I bought a strip of 5050 LEDs and a controller with an individual pot and PWM output for each color. It seems to work as expected, giving fine/smooth control of each color. I didn't put it on a scope or reverse engineer the controller, but I'm pretty sure it's an analog control over PWM, smooth adjustments, not steps. I can get full R, G or B, and all the color mixes you'd expect with R-G, R-B, and G-B, and all 3 for bright white to a tinted white with adjustments.

But... I just can't seem to duplicate that soft amber-yellow glow of an incandescent bulb. I start with RED, bring up the GREEN, and I get close, but then it starts getting too green before I seem to reach a nice amber. Turning up the BLUE doesn't seem to help, it just moves it towards purple-ish.

Is it possible? Or is the monochromatic nature of LEDS mixing narrow-band RGB just too different to our eyes compared to the wide-band, red-shifted filament bulb?

I ended up buying some filament auto bulbs, 5W dome-light style (hard to find on a search, the LED versions come up to the top of the list!), and powering 3 of them with a 9V supply, measuring ~ 2.7W each - so not so much heat, nice amber glow, and will have a very long life at that lower voltage.

But I'm still curious, and I may want to use this strip somewhere else in the future - can I duplicate a filament glow from RGB LEDs?
 
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See Metamer.
So the answer is no.
It turns out that the flesh tones are particularly difficult to match (much to the chagrin of color TV designers of yore).
 
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Maybe replacing the LEDs with amber ones?
Or there are those LED filaments in - well, in filament colors, since they are meant to fake incadescent filaments o0)
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Thanks for those replies. I was pretty sure that the metamer effect was in play, just didn't know what to call it, or if that was the actual reason. Interesting write up.

Yes, I considered actual filament colored LEDs, but that wouldn't give me control over the color, and you never know just how they look until you try them. I just read up to verify, but those work by using a phosphor, excited a blue LED, so unlike RGB, they seem to be able to find a better match to a warm filament. And it looks like the phosphors are more wide-band.

It's disappointing that the RGB won't quite get there, having the ability to change the color with that controller was nice. I can at least get 'moods' with red, green, blue, orange, purple, cyan, white and lots in-between. Just not the amber shade that I wanted!

BTW, for reference, here's what I purchased:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008GY6WM2/?tag=pfamazon01-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D4Y7Z4C/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
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