Can Soft Hair Explain the Information Paradox on Black Holes?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "soft hair" on black holes as proposed by Hawking, Perry, and Strominger, and its implications for the information paradox associated with black holes. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings of this idea, its relation to existing theories, and the ongoing debates regarding its validity and implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight that the paper describes soft hair as a means for black holes to carry zero-energy supertranslation hair, which is linked to an infinite number of conservation laws in gravitational theories.
  • Others note that the presence of a Maxwell field implies the existence of soft electric hair, and that information about the quantum state of soft hair is stored on a holographic plate at the black hole's horizon boundary.
  • One participant draws a connection between the concept of soft hair and loop quantum gravity (LQG) black hole entropy.
  • Bee Hossenfelder expresses skepticism regarding whether the proposed idea resolves the information loss problem, suggesting it is an interesting avenue for further exploration.
  • Another participant mentions that Malcolm Perry is also not convinced that the idea resolves the information paradox, indicating a cautious approach to the claims made in the paper.
  • There is mention of upcoming talks by the authors to further explain the paper, indicating ongoing engagement with the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some showing interest in the potential of soft hair while others remain skeptical about its effectiveness in resolving the information paradox. No consensus is reached regarding the validity of the claims made in the paper.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects uncertainty about the implications of soft hair and its relationship to established theories, as well as the limitations of the current understanding of the information paradox.

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Soft Hair on Black Holes
Stephen W. Hawking, Malcolm J. Perry, Andrew Strominger
(Submitted on 5 Jan 2016)
It has recently been shown that BMS supertranslation symmetries imply an infinite number of conservation laws for all gravitational theories in asymptotically Minkowskian spacetimes. These laws require black holes to carry a large amount of soft (i.e. zero-energy) supertranslation hair. The presence of a Maxwell field similarly implies soft electric hair. This paper gives an explicit description of soft hair in terms of soft gravitons or photons on the black hole horizon, and shows that complete information about their quantum state is stored on a holographic plate at the future boundary of the horizon. Charge conservation is used to give an infinite number of exact relations between the evaporation products of black holes which have different soft hair but are otherwise identical. It is further argued that soft hair which is spatially localized to much less than a Planck length cannot be excited in a physically realizable process, giving an effective number of soft degrees of freedom proportional to the horizon area in Planck units.
Comments: 22 pages 2 figures
Subjects: High Energy Physics - Theory (hep-th)
Cite as: arXiv:1601.00921 [hep-th]
(or arXiv:1601.00921v1 [hep-th] for this version
 
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It's the paper promised by Stephan Hawking last August. Perhaps Marcus would like to see it.
 
MTd2 said:
It's the paper promised by Stephan Hawking last August. Perhaps Marcus would like to see it.
It is further argued that soft hair which is spatially localized to much less than a Planck length cannot be excited in a physically realizable process, giving an effective number of soft degrees of freedom proportional to the horizon area in Planck units.
sounds like LQG BH entropy
 
Bee Hossenfelder was at the August conference and has a reaction to the HPS paper at her blog.
http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2016/01/more-information-emerges-about-new.html
At the end she says:
"In summary, I am not at all convinced that the new idea proposed by Hawking, Perry, and Strominger solves the information loss problem. But it seems an interesting avenue that is worth further exploration. And I am sure we will see further exploration..."
 
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marcus said:
Bee Hossenfelder was at the August conference and has a reaction to the HPS paper at her blog.
http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2016/01/more-information-emerges-about-new.html
At the end she says:
"In summary, I am not at all convinced that the new idea proposed by Hawking, Perry, and Strominger solves the information loss problem. But it seems an interesting avenue that is worth further exploration. And I am sure we will see further exploration..."

To be fair, Perry isn't convinced of that, either. I don't know the others' opinions, but I think the paper is fairly conservatively-stated. Indeed, the conclusions end with

A complete description of the holographic plate and resolution of the information paradox remains an open challenge, which we have new concrete tools to address.

Malcolm will be giving some talks here in a few weeks to explain the paper to those of us who have not worked with the BMS group before. I'm looking forward to it.

Edit: Andy is here and is apparently giving a talk on Monday, so we'll be hearing loads about this paper. :P
 
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