Can Telescopes Show Moon Landing Evidence?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of using telescopes to provide evidence of the Apollo moon landings, specifically regarding the visibility of equipment, tire tracks, and footprints left on the moon. Participants explore various aspects of this topic, including the limitations of current telescope technology, historical accounts of the moon landings, and the evidence supporting their occurrence.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that high-powered telescopes could potentially show evidence of the Apollo missions on the moon, but notes that such telescopes would need to be extremely large and are not currently available.
  • Another participant discusses the history of the Apollo 11 footage, mentioning that the original footage was lost and explaining the conversion process used to broadcast it at the time.
  • Some participants reference independent tracking of the Apollo missions by various countries and observatories, arguing that this serves as evidence of the moon landings.
  • There are claims that recent lunar orbiters have captured images of the landing sites, showing dust plumes but not the equipment itself.
  • One participant humorously suggests that the data from lunar orbiters could have been manipulated, introducing a conspiracy element to the discussion.
  • Another participant argues that the lack of protest from the Soviet Union at the time serves as strong evidence that the moon landings occurred.
  • Some participants express confusion about the purpose of the thread and its relevance to ongoing conspiracy theories regarding the moon landings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some supporting the evidence for the moon landings and others introducing skepticism or conspiracy theories. There is no consensus on the effectiveness of telescopes to provide direct evidence of the landings.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to various historical accounts and technical details, but it remains unresolved regarding the visibility of lunar artifacts through telescopes and the validity of conspiracy theories surrounding the moon landings.

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Couldn't we just point some high powered telescopes at the moon and show these skeptics the equipment, tire tracks and footprints left behind on the moon by all the missions that went there?

Has anyone done that and is there a link to the evidence?

Oh...

Here's one answer...

Unfortunately, to see the junk we left on the moon, we'd need about a million power telescope. For a million power telescope to be useful, it would have to be several hundred feet in diameter. We haven't made any optical telescopes nearly that large yet. Give me the money and I'll do it, because I assure you I'd love to have one to play with.

:redface:
 
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Here's the mechanism by which we were privy to the Apollo 11 landing.

...the story about the missing Apollo 11 moon landing footage. Of course the footage that we all know and love (one of the most historic pieces of film ever recorded), is not missing, but the original footage that we never saw has been misplaced. Read the story on NPR.org to get the whole picture, but I will try to summarize it. The footage being beamed back to Earth was not compatible for broadcast, so they actually … well I will just quote the NPR article.

“To convert the originals, engineers essentially took a commercial television camera and aimed it at the monitor. The resulting image is what was sent to Houston, and on to the world.

‘And any time you just point a camera at a screen, that’s obviously not the best way to get the best picture,’ says Richard Nafzger, a TV specialist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland. He worked with Apollo’s lunar TV program, and says that conversion was the best they could do at the time.”

Somewhere between 1969 and now the footage has been lost. They have some ideas where it might be, but they are not sure if they will find it.

http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/2006/07/moon_landings_archiving_and_im.php And Neil Armstrong has sited some evidence that he was there...

Quoting from James Hansen's biography of Neil Armstrong:
For those few misguided souls who still cling to the belief that the Moon landings never happened, examination of the results of five decades of LRRR experiments should evidence how delusional their rejection of the Moon landing really is.[6]

Other independent observers tracked the mission by radar...

The missions were tracked by radar from several countries on the way to the Moon and back.[12]
In Australia, Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station monitored transmissions from Apollo missions, from:
Tidbinbilla radio telescope made observations.
Carnavon received radio transmissions
Deaking Switching Station was the switching station for the Apollo television broadcasts.

And the Russians had a particular interest in proving, to themselves, that the Apollo missions were real... and used highly sensitive equipment at their "Space Transmissions Corps" to verify the missions.

The evidence is pretty broad for Apollo 11's mission to the moon.

Apollo 11
The Bochum Observatory director (Professor Heinz Kaminski) was able to provide confirmation of events and data independent of both the Russian and US space agencies. [5]
A compilation of sightings appeared in "Observations of Apollo 11", Sky and Telescope, November 1969, pp. 358-359.
The Madrid Apollo Station, part of the Deep Space Network, built in Fresnedillas, near Madrid, Spain tracked Apollo 11. [6]
Goldstone Tracking Station in California tracked Apollo 11. [7]
At Jodrell Bank Observatory in the UK the telescope was used to observe the mission, as it had been many years previously for Sputnik.[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings
 
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The last couple of lunar orbiters imaged the landing sites, the resolution is good enough to see dust plumes left by the engines, but not the equipement itself.

(Of course the data from these could have been manipulated by Major League Baseball - who together with the Milk Marketing Board faked the original landings)
 
mgb_phys said:
The last couple of lunar orbiters imaged the landing sites, the resolution is good enough to see dust plumes left by the engines, but not the equipement itself.

(Of course the data from these could have been manipulated by Major League Baseball - who together with the Milk Marketing Board faked the original landings)

Ah... so that's how the man in the moon got the white moustache!
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Please note that S&D addresses only claims of unexplained phenomena, and advertised product claims. Moved to GD.

OK... my excuse is that people who claim the moon landing didn't happen are an unexplained phenomenon.:smile:
 
The single best proof that the moon landings happened is that the Russians did not call foul. They would have screamed bloody murder in 1969 and every other trip had the transmissions from the moon NOT come from the moon. You can bet that they were listening and watching, so they knew exactly where the signals were coming from.
 
I don't understand the point of this thread?
 

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