Can the Addition Formula for PDFs Also Apply to CDFs?

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The discussion revolves around whether the addition formula for probability density functions (PDFs) can also be applied to cumulative distribution functions (CDFs). Participants explore the implications of this question in the context of continuous random variables, particularly focusing on cases where random variables are independent or mutually exclusive.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the total PDF can be expressed as the sum of the individual PDFs for mutually exclusive events, and whether this holds for CDFs as well.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on what is meant by "total" PDF and whether the events are mutually exclusive.
  • A participant asserts that for independent random variables, the unconditional PDF can be expressed as a sum, but questions if the same applies to CDFs.
  • There is a request for a specific example or link to clarify the relationship between the random variables and the constraints mentioned.
  • One participant attempts to relate the addition of probabilities to the addition of PDFs and CDFs, but expresses confusion about how this applies to the context of the discussion.
  • Another participant highlights that the addition of two PDFs does not yield a valid PDF, as it does not satisfy the normalization condition.
  • There is a reference to the joint cumulative distribution function and a request for clarification on whether the discussion pertains to joint distributions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the addition rule for PDFs applies to CDFs. There are competing views and ongoing questions about the definitions and implications of the terms used.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions of terms such as "total" PDF and the conditions under which the addition rule might apply. There are also unresolved questions regarding the relationship between independent and mutually exclusive random variables.

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Hello,

i was wondering if the additon formula for PDFs holds also for CDFs.

Particularly, when an X event or a Y event may occur then the total PDF= PDF [X] + PDF [Y].

The same goes for CDFs ? i.e. total CDF = CDF [X] +CDF [Y] ?


Any help would be useful.
Thanks in advance
 
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nikozm said:
Particularly, when an X event or a Y event may occur then the total PDF= PDF [X] + PDF [Y].

What do you mean by the "total" PDF? - what random variable is the "total" PDF a PDF for?

Are you assuming X and Y are mutually exclusive events?
 
yes, X and Y are mutually exclusive events. Now, let g = X given a constraint, while g = Y given another constraint.
Then the unconditional (total) PDF of g is well-known to be: PDF [g] = PDF [X] + PDF [Y].

My question, however, is simply if the addition rule for probability density function also holds for CDFs..

Thanks
 
nikozm said:
yes, X and Y are mutually exclusive events. Now, let g = X given a constraint, while g = Y given another constraint.
Then the unconditional (total) PDF of g is well-known to be: PDF [g] = PDF [X] + PDF [Y].

Can you rephrase that using standard terminology?

"PDFs" are something associated with "random variables". "Events" have "probabilities", not "PDFs".
"Events" can be "mutually exclusive". I've never encountered the term "mutually exclusive" applied to "random variables". How would that be defined?
 
ok. I m interested in continious random variables, so i refer to PDFs and CDFs in the following:

X and Y are independent random variables. Now, let g = X given a constraint, while g = Y given another constraint.

Then the unconditional (total) PDF of g is well-known to be: PDF [g] = PDF [X] + PDF [Y].
My question, however, is simply if the addition rule for probability density function also holds for CDFs..

Thanks
 
I'm sorry, I still don't understand.

nikozm said:
let g = X given a constraint, while g = Y given another constraint.

Then the unconditional (total) PDF of g

If g is has a PDF, I assume g must be a random variable. So is "g = X" a constraint that is defined by the equality of two random variables?

Can you give a link or specific example?
 
ok i will try to be more specific.

Let g = a*X when a> r and g = a*Y when a < r. Assume a, X, Y are independent non-negative random variables and r is non-negative constant value.
Then it holds that: PDF [g] = PDF[a*X, given that a > r] + PDF[a*Y, given that a < r].

I am just wondering if the above formula also holds if we substitute PDFs with CDFs..
 
nikozm said:
Then it holds that: PDF [g] = PDF[a*X, given that a > r] + PDF[a*Y, given that a < r].

If A and B are events then
Probability(A) = Probability(A and B) + Probability (A and not-B).
Probability(A) = Probability(A given B) Probability(B) + Probability(A given not-B) Probability(not-B)

So I don't see why the result isn't

PDF[g](s) = PDF[a*X | a > r)](s) Probability( a > r) + PDF[a*Y| a < r)](s) Probability(a < r)
 
Can you just tell me if the addition rule for probabilities stands also for CDFs in general ?
 
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nikozm said:
Can you just tell me if the addition rule for probabilities stands also for CDFs in general ?

First we have to get straight what you mean by "the addition rule" as applied to PDFs. If f and g are PDFs then f + g won't be a PDF since the integral of f+g over the real line will be 2 instead of 1.
 
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Are you're referring to [itex]P(A \cup B) = P(A) + P(B) - P(A \cap B)[/itex]?

I don't understand how you intend to apply that a PDF or CDF. If you are referring to a "well known" result about PDFs then please give a link to this result about PDFs.

If you are asking about a situation involving two different random variables X,Y then you are dealing with a joint density function h(x,y) of two variables. Some authors define the "joint cumulative distribution" for the joint density. Are you asking a question about the joint cumulative distribution?
 

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