Can the Given Complex Summation be Simplified?

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of complex summations, specifically focusing on two series involving complex variables. Participants explore whether these sums can be expressed in a simpler form, with some providing partial simplifications and others seeking clarification on the steps involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the summation $\sum_{n}^{\infty}\frac{2u+5}{2}\left(-\frac{u}{2}\right)^n$ can be simplified to $\frac{2u+5}{2}\sum_{n}^{\infty}(-1)^n(\frac{u}{2})^n$ under the condition that $|u|<2$.
  • Others express a desire to simplify the summation further without solving it, indicating a focus on notation rather than final results.
  • One participant provides a detailed breakdown of another summation involving $z$, suggesting that it can be expressed as a combination of simpler series, but questions arise regarding the derivation of specific terms like $\frac{n+2}{2^n}$.
  • There are exchanges about the nature of the discussion, with some participants emphasizing that the goal is simplification rather than solving the series, while others express frustration over perceived misunderstandings and assumptions about intentions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the focus is on simplification rather than solving the summations. However, there are disagreements regarding the clarity of communication and assumptions made about each other's intentions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over specific steps in the simplification process, indicating that certain mathematical transformations may not be universally understood. Additionally, there is a noted tension regarding communication styles and assumptions about participants' goals.

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u is a complex.

Can this sum be simplified? If so, how?

$\displaystyle
\sum_{n}^{\infty}\frac{2u+5}{2}\left(-\frac{u}{2}\right)^n
$

Thanks.
 
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dwsmith said:
u is a complex.

Can this sum be simplified? If so, how?

$\displaystyle
\sum_{n}^{\infty}\frac{2u+5}{2}\left(-\frac{u}{2}\right)^n
$

Thanks.
Yes.$\sum_{n}^{\infty}\frac{2u+5}{2}(-\frac{u}{2})^n=\frac{2u+5}{2}\sum_{n}^{\infty}(-1)^n(\frac{u}{2})^n$

Can you proceed? (with $|u|<2$)
 
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Also sprach Zarathustra said:
Yes.$\sum_{n}^{\infty}\frac{2u+5}{2}(-\frac{u}{2})^n=\frac{2u+5}{2}\sum_{n}^{\infty}(-1)^n(\frac{u}{2})^n$

Can you proceed? (with $|u|<2$)

Proceed? I am not trying to solve just simplify it. I thought it could have been expressed a lot differently since I could have done that.

Thanks.
 
dwsmith said:
Proceed? I am not trying to solve just simplify it. I thought it could have been expressed a lot differently since I could have done that.

Thanks.
$\sum_{n}^{\infty}\frac{2u+5}{2}(-\frac{u}{2})^n=\frac{2u+5}{2}\sum_{n}^{\infty}(-1)^n(\frac{u}{2})^n=\frac{2u+5}{2}\frac{2}{u+2}=$ $\frac{2u+5}{u+2} $

(sum of geometric series)
 
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Also sprach Zarathustra said:
$\sum_{n}^{\infty}\frac{2u+5}{2}(-\frac{u}{2})^n=\frac{2u+5}{2}\sum_{n}^{\infty}(-1)^n(\frac{u}{2})^n=\frac{2u+5}{2}\frac{2}{u+2}=\frac{2u+5}{u+2} $

(sum of geometric series)

I am not needing to solve these just simplify in the summation notation.

Can this one be simplified further?

$\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}\left[(-1)^n z^n \left(1 - \frac{1}{2^{n + 1}} - n\frac{1}{2^n}\right)\right]$
 
dwsmith said:
I am not needing to solve these just simplify in the summation notation.

Can this one be simplified further?

$\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}\left[(-1)^n z^n \left(1 - \frac{1}{2^{n + 1}} - n\frac{1}{2^n}\right)\right]$
$\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n z^n \left(1 - \frac{1}{2^{n + 1}} - n\frac{1}{2^n}\right)=\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n z^n(1-\frac{n+2}{2^n})=$

$=\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n z^n-\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n\frac{n+2}{2^n} z^n=$

$=\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n z^n-\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n n(\frac{n}{2})^n z^n-2 \sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n(\frac{z}{2})^n$

And each one of the sums can be evaluated.
 
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Also sprach Zarathustra said:
$\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n z^n \left(1 - \frac{1}{2^{n + 1}} - n\frac{1}{2^n}\right)=\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n z^n(1-\frac{n+2}{2^n})=$

$=\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n z^n-\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n\frac{n+2}{2^n} z^n=$

$=\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n z^n-\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n n(\frac{n}{2})^n z^n-2 \sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n(\frac{z}{2})^n$

And each one of the sums can be evaluated.

$\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n z^n \left(1 - \frac{1}{2^{n + 1}} - n\frac{1}{2^n}\right)=\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n z^n(1-\frac{n+2}{2^n})$
How did you get this $\frac{n+2}{2^n}$? I can't get that.
 
dwsmith said:
$\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n z^n \left(1 - \frac{1}{2^{n + 1}} - n\frac{1}{2^n}\right)=\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty}(-1)^n z^n(1-\frac{n+2}{2^n})$
How did you get this $\frac{n+2}{2^n}$? I can't get that.

Sorry! :)

$1-\frac{1}{2^{n+1}}-\frac{n}{2^n}=1-\frac{1}{2^{n}}(\frac{1}{2}+n)=1-\frac{1}{2^{n}}(\frac{2n+1}{2})=1-\frac{1}{2^{n+1}}(2n+1)$
 
Hello, dwsmith!

No one is trying "solve" anything . . . They are all trying to simplify.
Stop complaining!

$\displaystyle \text{Simplify: }\:\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{2u+5}{2}\left(-\frac{u}{2}\right)^n
$
Did you even read what A.S.Z. wrote?

He said: .$\displaystyle \sum^{\infty}_{n=0}\frac{2u+5}{2}\left(-\frac{u}{2}\right)^n \;=\;(2u+5)\underbrace{\sum^{\infty}_{n=0}\left(-\frac{u}{2}\right)^n}_{\text{geometric series}} $

We have a geometric series with: first term $a = 1$ and common ratio $r = \text{-}\frac{u}{2} $

If $ u < 2$, the series converges to a finite limit.

Can you find it?
Can you finish the problem?
 
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soroban said:
Hello, dwsmith!

No one is trying "solve" anything . . . They are all trying to simplify.
Stop complaining!


Did you even read what A.S.Z. wrote?

You shouldn't jump to conclusions though. You don't know what my intentions are. What is useful to my focus is only the summation not the fact it is geometric.

And CB to thank someone for something that is wrong in the first place is trite because none of you knew what I was doing with the summation. I find both of these actions rude.
 
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dwsmith said:
You shouldn't jump to conclusions though. You don't know what my intentions are. What is useful to my focus is only the summation not the fact it is geometric.

And CB to thank someone for something that is wrong in the first place is trite because none of you knew what I was doing with the summation. I find both of these actions rude.

You'll have to forgive us, our psychic powers have been a little off since MHF died. We'll have to work on our mind-reading in future.
 
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Prove It said:
You'll have to forgive us, our psychic powers have been a little off since MHF died. We'll have to work on our mind-reading in future.

It isn't about being psychic it is about not assuming. Never assume you understand what someone else is doing because you may be wrong. Heuristics are great but not the end all be all.
 
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dwsmith said:
It isn't about being psychic it is about not assuming.
But we are on math forum, board, I beg your pardon, we must assume,-that is our nature!
 
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Also sprach Zarathustra said:
But we are on math forum, board, I beg your pardon, we must assume,-that is our nature!

When people are being jerks about their assumptions and making snide comments, that isn't right especially if the people making them are "distinguished" members.

I use distinguished here loosely because the acts of someone of that nature should be to the contrary.

For example, your thanking someone for an asinine remark only perpetuates the actions. Because to even speak about working on psychic powers is an indirect insult to my comment.
 

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