Can the Method of Characteristics Solve This PDE Problem?

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The discussion revolves around solving the partial differential equation (PDE) given by $$u_x(x,y)+(x+y)u_y(x,y)=0$$ with the boundary condition $$u(x,1-x)=f(x)$$ for $$x+y>1$$. Participants explore the application of the method of characteristics to this problem, questioning the appropriate initial values and the implications of using different variables.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using the method of characteristics to solve the PDE, questioning if the variable choice (t or y) affects the approach.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the appropriate initial values to use, with suggestions to take $(x(0),y(0))=(x_0,1-x_0)$.
  • One participant presents a derived solution form $$u = g \{ (y + x + 1)e^{-x} \}$$ and discusses how to find the function g based on the boundary condition.
  • Another participant shares a related example from their lecture notes, illustrating the method of characteristics and raising questions about the initial conditions in the context of the current problem.
  • Participants express the need to clarify the 'contour conditions' necessary for determining the function g in the context of the given boundary condition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial values to use or the implications of variable choice. Multiple competing views remain regarding the application of the method of characteristics and the interpretation of the boundary conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the initial conditions and the dependence on the definitions of the variables involved in the PDE. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and the implications of the boundary conditions on the solution form.

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Hello! (Wave)

I want to solve the following problem:

$$u_x(x,y)+(x+y)u_y(x,y)=0 , x+y>1 \\ u(x,1-x)=f(x), x \in \mathbb{R}$$

How could I do it? Could we apply the method of characteristics? In my lecture notes, there is an example on which this method is applied.

This example is of the form $a(t,x,u) u_x+ b(t,x,u)u_t=c(t,x,u)$.

$$x_t(x,t)-u_x(x,t)=0, x \in \mathbb{R}, t>0 \\ u(x,0)=f(x), x \in \mathbb{R}$$Does it make a difference if the variable is $t$ or $y$ ?

Also, at the beginning, they took: $(x(0),t(0))=(x_0,0)$.

What initial value do we take in this case?

Could we pick $(x(0),y(0))=(x_0,1-x_0)$ ? (Thinking)
 
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evinda said:
Hello! (Wave)

I want to solve the following problem:

$$u_x(x,y)+(x+y)u_y(x,y)=0 , x+y>1 \\ u(x,1-x)=f(x), x \in \mathbb{R}$$

How could I do it? Could we apply the method of characteristics? In my lecture notes, there is an example on which this method is applied.

This example is of the form $a(t,x,u) u_x+ b(t,x,u)u_t=c(t,x,u)$.

$$x_t(x,t)-u_x(x,t)=0, x \in \mathbb{R}, t>0 \\ u(x,0)=f(x), x \in \mathbb{R}$$Does it make a difference if the variable is $t$ or $y$ ?

Also, at the beginning, they took: $(x(0),t(0))=(x_0,0)$.

What initial value do we take in this case?

Could we pick $(x(0),y(0))=(x_0,1-x_0)$ ? (Thinking)

If You apply the method of characteristics to the PDE...

$\displaystyle u_{x} + (x + y)\ u_{y} = 0\ (1)$

... You arrive to write...

$\displaystyle \frac{d y}{d x} = y + x\ (2)$

... the solution of which is...

$ y = c_{1}\ e^{x} - x - 1\ (3)$

... so that is...

$\displaystyle u = g \{ (y + x + 1)\ e^{- x}\}\ (4)$

... where g(*) is an arbitrary function...

At this point g(*) can be found solving the functional equation...

$\displaystyle g \{2\ e^{-x}\} = f(x)\ (5)$ ...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
In my lecture notes there is the following example on which we have applied the method of characteristics:

$$u_t+2xu_x=x+u, x \in \mathbb{R}, t>0 \\ u(x,0)=1+x^2, x \in \mathbb{R}$$

$$(x(0), t(0))=(x_0,0)$$

We will find a curve $(x(s), t(s)), s \in \mathbb{R}$ such that $\sigma '(s)=\frac{d}{ds}(u(x(s), t(s))=u_x(x(s), t(s))x'(s)+u_t(x(s), t(s))t'(s)$

$$x'(s)=2x(s), x(0)=x_0 \\ t'(s)=1, t(0)=0 \\ \sigma '(s)=2xu_x+u_t=x(s)+u(s), \sigma(0)=u(x(0), t(0))=1+x_0^2$$

$$\dots \dots \dots \dots \dots$$

$$t(s)=s \\ x(s)=x_0e^{2s} \\ \sigma(s)=x_0 e^{2s}+(1+x_0^2-x_0)e^s$$

If $\overline{s}$ is the value of $s$ such that $(x(\overline{s}), t(\overline{s}))=(x_1, t_1)$ then we have $$x_0e^{2\overline{s}}=x_1 \ , \ \overline{s}=t_1 \\ \Rightarrow x_0=x_1e^{-2t_1}, \overline{s}=t_1$$

So for $s=\overline{s}$ we have $$\sigma(\overline{s})=u(x_1, t_1)=x_1 e^{t_1}+x_1^2e^{-3t_1}-x_1e^{t_1}$$ In our case, what initial value do we have to take at the beginning?

$(x(0), y(0))=(x_0, 1-x_0)$ ?

Or something else? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
... in our case, what initial value do we have to take at the beginning?...

$(x(0), y(0))=(x_0, 1-x_0)$?...

Or something else? (Thinking)...

Applying the method of characteristics to the PDE...

$\displaystyle u_{x} + (x + y)\ u_{y} = 0\ (1)$

... we arrive to the general solution...

$\displaystyle u = g \{ (1 + x + y)\ e^{- x} \}\ (2)$

... where g(*) is an arbitrary function...

... in this case the 'contour conditions' [necessari for finding g(*)...] are in the 'unusual form'...

$\displaystyle u(x, 1-x) = f(x), x \in \mathbb{R}\ (3)$

Inserting the condition (3) in (2) You obtain...

$\displaystyle g(2\ e^{- x}) = f(x) \implies g(t) = f( - \ln \frac{t}{2})\ (4)$

... so that the solution is...

$\displaystyle u = f \{ \frac{x - \ln (1 + x + y)}{2} \}\ (5)$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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