Solution of nonhomogeneous heat equation problem

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The discussion revolves around the solution of a nonhomogeneous heat equation, specifically focusing on the mathematical transformations and integration techniques involved in the derivation of the equation. Participants explore the relationships between variables and the implications of integration by parts in the context of the equation.

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  • Some participants express confusion regarding the transition from the partial derivative with respect to time to the negative partial derivative with respect to another variable, questioning the underlying reasoning.
  • There is uncertainty about how the four variables (x, y, s, t) relate to each other, with some suggesting that (x, y) and (t, s) are independent.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the chain rule in the context of the transformations applied to the variables in the equation.
  • Some participants seek clarification on the specific application of integration by parts within the derivation, particularly regarding the terms involved.
  • There is an exploration of how to correctly identify and separate the components of the equation into terms I, J, and K for further analysis.
  • One participant mentions that the values at infinity from integration by y are assumed to be zero, while the remaining contributions come from integration by s.

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Participants express varying degrees of understanding regarding the transformations and integration techniques, indicating that there is no consensus on the clarity of the mathematical steps involved. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple viewpoints presented.

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Participants note that the relationships between the variables and the application of integration by parts are not fully clarified, leading to ongoing questions about the mathematical derivation.

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This is from Evans page 50. I'm sure it's something simple, but I don't follow the change from $$ \frac{\partial}{\partial t} \quad \text{to} \quad -\frac{\partial}{\partial s}$$
and from $$ \Delta_x \quad \text{to} \quad \Delta_y$$.
\begin{gather*}
\begin{split}
u_t(x,t) - \Delta u(x,t) & = \int_{0}^{t} \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,s) [(\frac{\partial}{\partial t}-\Delta_x)f(x-y,t-s)] \; dyds \\
& + \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,t) f(x-y,0) \; dy \\
& = \int_{\varepsilon}^{t} \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,s) [(-\frac{\partial}{\partial s}-\Delta_y)f(x-y,t-s)] \; dyds \\
& + \int_{0}^{\varepsilon} \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,s) [(-\frac{\partial}{\partial s}-\Delta_y)f(x-y,t-s)] \; dyds \\
& + \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,t) f(x-y,0) \; dy
\end{split}
\end{gather*}
 
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I am not sure how four variables x,y,s,t relate but say (x,y) and (t,s) are independent
\frac{\partial}{\partial t}:=\frac{\partial}{\partial t}|_s
\triangle_x:=\frac{\partial^2}{\partial^2 x}|_{y}
,
\frac{\partial}{\partial t}f(x-y,t-s)=\frac{\partial}{\partial (t-s)}f(x-y,t-s)|_{x-y}\frac{\partial (t-s)}{\partial t}
\frac{\partial}{\partial s}f(x-y,t-s)=\frac{\partial}{\partial (t-s)}f(x-y,t-s)|_{x-y}\frac{\partial (t-s)}{\partial s}
They are different only in sign. Similar for ##\triangle_x## and ##\triangle_x## but same sign because of squared differential operator.
 
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mitochan said:
I am not sure how four variables x,y,s,t relate but say (x,y) and (t,s) are independent
\frac{\partial}{\partial t}:=\frac{\partial}{\partial t}|_s
\triangle_x:=\frac{\partial^2}{\partial^2 x}|_{y}
,
\frac{\partial}{\partial t}f(x-y,t-s)=\frac{\partial}{\partial (t-s)}f(x-y,t-s)|_{x-y}\frac{\partial (t-s)}{\partial t}
\frac{\partial}{\partial s}f(x-y,t-s)=\frac{\partial}{\partial (t-s)}f(x-y,t-s)|_{x-y}\frac{\partial (t-s)}{\partial s}
They are different only in sign. Similar for ##\triangle_x## and ##\triangle_x## but same sign because of squared differential operator.

I thought that it might have something to do with the fact that the equation on the left is a function of x and t while the integral on the right is with respect to y and s. The substitution in the integral is obvious from the chain rule.

For the spatial variable, the function is just being shifted around it seems when you vary y or x.
 
There's another part I'm not clear on.

\begin{gather*}
\begin{split}
u_t(x,t) - \Delta u(x,t) & = \int_{0}^{t} \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,s) [(\frac{\partial}{\partial t}-\Delta_x)f(x-y,t-s)] \; dyds \\
& + \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,t) f(x-y,0) \; dy \\
& = \int_{\varepsilon}^{t} \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,s) [(-\frac{\partial}{\partial s}-\Delta_y)f(x-y,t-s)] \; dyds \\
& + \int_{0}^{\varepsilon} \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,s) [(-\frac{\partial}{\partial s}-\Delta_y)f(x-y,t-s)] \; dyds \\
& + \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,t) f(x-y,0) \; dy \\
& = I_\varepsilon + J_\varepsilon + K.
\end{split}
\end{gather*}
Integrating by parts, we also find
\begin{gather*}
\begin{split}
I_\varepsilon & = \int_{\varepsilon}^{t} \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} [(\frac{\partial}{\partial s}-\Delta_y) \Phi(y,s) ]f(x-y,t-s) \; dyds \\
& + \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,\varepsilon) f(x-y,t-\varepsilon) \; dy \\
& - \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,t) f(x-y,0) \; dy \\
& = \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,\varepsilon) f(x-y,t-\varepsilon) \; dy - K, \\
\end{split}
\end{gather*}

On what piece exactly did he apply integration by parts?
 
You give sum of ##I_\epsilon,J_\epsilon,K##. How should we divide it to get ##I_\epsilon## ?
 
I take

\begin{gather*}
\begin{split}
&I_\varepsilon= \int_{\varepsilon}^{t} \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,s) [(-\frac{\partial}{\partial s}-\Delta_y)f(x-y,t-s)] \; dyds \\
& J_\varepsilon= \int_{0}^{\varepsilon} \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,s) [(-\frac{\partial}{\partial s}-\Delta_y)f(x-y,t-s)] \; dyds \\
&K=\int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,t) f(x-y,0) \; dy \\
\end{split}
\end{gather*}

Calculation of ##I_\varepsilon##
Integrating by parts once for ##\frac{\partial}{\partial s}## and twice for ##\triangle_y## we get

\begin{gather*}
\begin{split}
I_\varepsilon
& = \int_{\varepsilon}^{t} \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} [(\frac{\partial}{\partial s}-\Delta_y) \Phi(y,s) ]f(x-y,t-s) \; dyds +A\\
\end{split}
\end{gather*}

A comes from values at infinities. Say at ##R^n## infinity the values which comes from integration by y are zero, the remaining comes from integration by s

\begin{gather*}
\begin{split}

& A= \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,\varepsilon) f(x-y,t-\varepsilon) \; dy - \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,t) f(x-y,0) \; dy \\
& = \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,\varepsilon) f(x-y,t-\varepsilon) \; dy - K \\
\end{split}
\end{gather*}
 
mitochan said:
I take

\begin{gather*}
\begin{split}
&I_\varepsilon= \int_{\varepsilon}^{t} \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,s) [(-\frac{\partial}{\partial s}-\Delta_y)f(x-y,t-s)] \; dyds \\
& J_\varepsilon= \int_{0}^{\varepsilon} \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,s) [(-\frac{\partial}{\partial s}-\Delta_y)f(x-y,t-s)] \; dyds \\
&K=\int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,t) f(x-y,0) \; dy \\
\end{split}
\end{gather*}

Calculation of ##I_\varepsilon##
Integrating by parts once for ##\frac{\partial}{\partial s}## and twice for ##\triangle_y## we get

\begin{gather*}
\begin{split}
I_\varepsilon
& = \int_{\varepsilon}^{t} \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} [(\frac{\partial}{\partial s}-\Delta_y) \Phi(y,s) ]f(x-y,t-s) \; dyds +A\\
\end{split}
\end{gather*}

A comes from values at infinities. Say at ##R^n## infinity the values which comes from integration by y are zero, the remaining comes from integration by s

\begin{gather*}
\begin{split}

& A= \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,\varepsilon) f(x-y,t-\varepsilon) \; dy - \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,t) f(x-y,0) \; dy \\
& = \int_{\mathbb{R}^n}^{} \Phi(y,\varepsilon) f(x-y,t-\varepsilon) \; dy - K \\
\end{split}
\end{gather*}

Thanks for the reply. I'll get around to doing the integration by parts myself and will post again if something isn't clear to me.
 

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