Can the Schrodinger equation satisfy Laplace's equation?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Schrödinger equation and Laplace's equation, specifically whether a wave function can be found that satisfies Laplace's equation while also being consistent with the rearranged form of the Schrödinger equation. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the time-dependent Schrödinger equation and questions if a wave function can satisfy Laplace's equation, proposing a rearrangement of the Schrödinger equation.
  • Another participant notes that the general solution of Laplace's equation involves spherical harmonics, which may not be normalizable and thus not suitable for the Hilbert space requirement.
  • A participant discusses the implications of using a Fourier transform, suggesting that it leads to a constant function that is also not square integrable.
  • A later reply explores the case of a half-infinite cylinder, proposing that normalizable solutions exist in this context, specifically mentioning a form of the wave function that could satisfy the conditions.

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Participants express differing views on the normalizability of solutions to Laplace's equation and whether certain forms of wave functions can satisfy both the Schrödinger equation and Laplace's equation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the nature of the wave functions and the specific conditions under which they are considered normalizable. The discussion also reflects a dependence on the definitions of the spaces involved.

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The time-dependent Schrödinger equation is given by:

##-\frac{\hslash^{2}}{2m}\triangledown^{2}\psi+V\psi=i\hslash\frac{\partial }{\partial t}\psi##​

Obviously, there is a laplacian in the kinetic energy operator. So, I was wondering if the equation was rearranged as

##-\frac{\hslash^{2}}{2m}\triangledown^{2}\psi=i\hslash\frac{\partial }{\partial t}\psi-V\psi##​

then does there exist a wave function ## \psi## that satisfies Laplace's equation

##\triangledown^{2}\psi=0##
so that

##\triangledown^{2}\psi=i\hslash\frac{\partial }{\partial t}\psi-V\psi=0##
If so, can the solution then be a set of spherical harmonics, which is commonly found when dealing with Laplace's equation in other areas?
 
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My memory about the solution of Laplace's equation is a bit hazy but after checking wikipedia about spherical harmonics, the general solution of this equation takes the form of
$$
\psi(r,\theta,\phi) = \sum_{l=0} \sum_{m=-l}^l c_{lm} r^l Y_{lm}(\theta,\phi)
$$
which is clearly not normalizable and hence cannot serve as a square integrable solution required to be an element of Hilbert space.
 
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An attempt to solve the equation by a Fourier transform would lead to ##{\bf k}^2=0##, implying ##k_x=k_y=k_z=0##. That would correspond to a constant function, which is also not square integrable.
 
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Demystifier said:
An attempt to solve the equation by a Fourier transform would lead to ##{\bf k}^2=0##, implying ##k_x=k_y=k_z=0##. That would correspond to a constant function, which is also not square integrable.

That's true for an infinite 2-D plane. However, if your "universe" consists of a half-infinite cylinder, parametrized by x,y according to:
  • 0 \leq x \lt \infty
  • 0 \leq y \leq L
  • The point (x,y) and the point (x, y+L) are identified.
Then there are normalizable solutions of the form:

\psi(x,\theta) = e^{\frac{2n\pi}{L} (-x \pm i y)}
 
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