Can the Zero Point Energy Change in Curved Space-Times and Impact Gravity?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between zero point energy (ZPE) and curved space-times, particularly in the context of quantum field theory (QFT) and gravity. Participants explore how changes in curvature might affect ZPE and whether this could have implications for understanding gravity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how ZPE changes with varying curvature in space-time, particularly if it increases near gravitating bodies.
  • Another participant notes that ZPE is an artifact in QFT that cannot be calculated directly due to its infinite nature, leading to a subtraction process that lacks true calculation.
  • Hawking radiation is mentioned as a significant effect of spacetime curvature, illustrating how local flatness does not translate to global properties in QFT.
  • There is a suggestion that the principle of equivalence implies that gravity's cause must relate to acceleration, raising questions about how acceleration affects the split between positive and negative frequency solutions in QFT.
  • One participant speculates that interactions with matter might influence wave functions, potentially increasing the apparent ZPE.
  • Another participant introduces the Unruh effect, which indicates that an accelerated observer perceives thermal radiation, but expresses uncertainty about the sufficiency of the principle of equivalence in this context.
  • A question is raised about whether the process of integration could bridge local and global properties in the discussion of ZPE and curvature.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the principle of equivalence and the relationship between acceleration and ZPE. There is no consensus on how these concepts interact or whether local principles can adequately describe global phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in defining vacuum states and the challenges of applying QFT in curved spacetime, particularly regarding the global structure's influence on local observations.

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As I understand it, QFT predicts that there is a certain zero point energy (ZPE) in a given background of flat Minkowski space-time. And every curved space-time is locally a flat Minkowski space-time. So I'm wondering how the ZPE changes as the curvature of curved space-time changes from one flat space-time to a different flat space-time. For example, is there a higher ZPE closer to a gravitating body?

What motivates this question is if the ZPE and the Minkowski background space-time are unavoidably linked in QFT, then perhaps if there is a mechanism to change the ZPE, this might also change something in the Minkowski background which together may account for gravity. I have no idea what may change the ZPE, and I'm looking for thoughts on the subject. Thanks.
 
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ZPE is a rather strange artifact. In QFT you cannot calculate it b/c the result is always infinite. So you subtract this infinity in order to get zero, but that's not really a calculation, is it?

However there a spacetime curvature effects in QFT, the most famous one is Hawking radiation. I strongly recommend to read Hawking's original paper!

As a summary: yes, locally the manifold looks like flat space, therefore you want to apply standard QFT, but that does not work globally. Introducing a vacuum state requires to define positive and negative frequency solutions for classical e.o.m on which you then introduce quantum fields via creation and annihilation operators (which do no longer create plane wave states but distorted waves according to the e.o.m. on curved spacetime). The problem is that the definition of positive and negative frequencies is not possible globally, so an empty vacuum state w.r.t. to one observer is a non-vacuum state with physical particles w.r.t. a second observer (simply b/c they do not agree on the split for positive and negative frequencies). This effect works w/o any interacting fields, so we have free fields on curved spacetime (and that's why Hawking's explanation 'particle-antiparticle pair creation' is rather confusing b/c usually in QFT that requires an interaction term; but Hawking is brilliant both in his calculation, and in interesting but inappropriate popular explanations ;-)

Unfortunately I do have no idea how to make this story work for vacuum energy. The reason is that locally (for every local coordinate patch looking like flat space) you always introduce a normal ordering w.r.t. the local definition of vacuum, and therefore for every vacuum state you subtract the vacuum energy. So if you want to calculate something like <Ω|T00(x)|Ω> at some x for some (observer O, O', ... dependent) vacuum Ω, Ω', ... you always chose a normal ordering setting this to zero. The effect which survives this normal ordering is just Hawking radiation, so in some sense you could say that the energy density of the thermal radiation is the vacuum energy density of a state Ω defined by an observer O but measured by an observer O'.
 
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The effect which survives this normal ordering is just Hawking radiation, so in some sense you could say that the energy density of the thermal radiation is the vacuum energy density of a state Ω defined by an observer O but measured by an observer O'.

Thanks, that's a good start.

Whatever the cause of gravity, I suppose it would have to ultimately be the same effect as acceleration, if the principle of equivalence is to hold. Does acceleration in itself cause this shift in the split between positive and negative frequencies?

I wonder if interactions with matter slows down wave functions like water waves crashing onto shore. That might cause waves to bunch up and appear to be higher in frequency, raising the apparent zero point energy level.
 
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Whatever the cause of gravity, I suppose it would have to ultimately be the same effect as acceleration, if the principle of equivalence is to hold. Does acceleration in itself cause this shift in the split between positive and negative frequencies?
Yes and no. The so-called Unruh effect shows that an accelerated observer in flat spacetime will see thermal radiation, too. Nevertheless QFT in curved spacetime is sensitive to the global structure of spacetime, and therefore I am not sure whether the principle of equivalence (which is a local principle) is sufficient.
 
tom.stoer said:
Yes and no. The so-called Unruh effect shows that an accelerated observer in flat spacetime will see thermal radiation, too. Nevertheless QFT in curved spacetime is sensitive to the global structure of spacetime, and therefore I am not sure whether the principle of equivalence (which is a local principle) is sufficient.

The usual method of going from local to global is the process of integration. Would that apply here?
 

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