Can Two Future-Pointing Null Vectors Sum to a Time-Like Vector?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of null and time-like vectors in the context of special relativity. The original poster presents a problem that requires demonstrating how the sum of two future-pointing null vectors can yield a future-pointing time-like vector, except in cases where the null vectors are parallel. Additionally, the problem asks for an exploration of how any time-like vector can be expressed as a sum of two null vectors, along with the nature of the freedom in choosing those null vectors.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationships between future-pointing null vectors and time-like vectors, examining the conditions under which their sums yield different types of vectors. Questions arise about the implications of choosing null vectors and how they relate to time-like vectors, particularly when considering their orientations.

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Participants are actively exploring the implications of the problem, with some providing insights into the nature of vector sums and the conditions for null vectors. There is a recognition that multiple interpretations and approaches are being considered, particularly regarding the decomposition of time-like vectors.

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Participants note that the problem does not restrict the decomposition of time-like vectors to only null vectors, suggesting that time-like vectors could also be expressed as sums of other time-like vectors. The discussion includes considerations of the orientations of the vectors involved.

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Homework Statement



Show that the sum of two future-pointing null vectors is a future-pointing time-like vector, except when the two null vectors have the same direction. Conversely, show that any time-like vector can be expressed as a sum of two null vectors. For a given time-like vector the two null vectors are not uniquely determined: what is the nature of the freedom in their choice?

Homework Equations



Under the 'mostly-minus' convention, a null vector ##N^{a}## satisfies ##N^{a}N_{a}=0##, a time-like vector ##T^{a}## satisfies ##T^{a}T_{a}>0##, and a space-like vector ##S^{a}## satisfies ##S^{a}S_{a}<0##.

Given a future-pointing time-like vector ##P^{a}## (with ##P^{0}>0##), any other future-pointing time-like or null vector ##Q^{a}## satisfies ##P^{a}Q_{a}>0##.

The Attempt at a Solution



Consider two future-pointing null vectors ##P^{a}## and ##Q^{a}##. These vectors satisfy the following relations:

##P^{a}P_{a}=0,\ Q^{a}Q_{a}=0,\ P^{a}Q_{a}>0##.

Therefore, ##(P^{a}+Q^{a})(P_{a}+Q_{a}) = P^{a}P_{a}+ 2\ P^{a}Q_{a} + Q^{a}Q_{a} = 2\ P^{a}Q_{a}##.

Now, if ##P^{a} \not\propto Q^{a}##, then ##(P^{a}+Q^{a})(P_{a}+Q_{a}) = 2\ P^{a}Q_{a} > 0## and

if ##P^{a} \propto Q^{a}##, then ##(P^{a}+Q^{a})(P_{a}+Q_{a}) \propto 2\ P^{a}P_{a} = 0##.

Therefore, the sum of two future-pointing null vectors is a time-like vector, except when the two null vectors have the same direction, in which case the sum is again a null vector (regardless of the time-orientation of the original two vectors).Consider a time-like vector ##S^{a}+T^{a}##, where the nature of ##S^{a}## and ##T^{a}## are not yet known. The vector ##S^{a}+T^{a}## satisfies the following relation:

##(S^{a}+T^{a})(S_{a}+T_{a})>0##, which means that

##S^{a}S_{a}+T^{a}T_{a}+2S^{a}T_{a}>0##

Where do I go from here?
 
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failexam said:
Consider a time-like vector ##S^{a}+T^{a}##, where the nature of ##S^{a}## and ##T^{a}## are not yet known. The vector ##S^{a}+T^{a}## satisfies the following relation:

##(S^{a}+T^{a})(S_{a}+T_{a})>0##, which means that

##S^{a}S_{a}+T^{a}T_{a}+2S^{a}T_{a}>0##

Where do I go from here?
What happens if you now choose S and T to be null-like?
 
If ##S^{a}## and ##T^{a}## are null-like, then ##S^{a}T_{a}>0##

which means that ##S^{a}T_{a}## has to be future-pointing as well.But then, the relation ##S^{a}S_{a}+T^{a}T_{a}+2S^{a}T_{a}>0## is also satisfied for ##S^{a}## and ##T^{a}## future-pointing time-like?
 
Yes, the question asks you to show that a time-like vector can be expressed as a sum of two null vectors; it did not say that that is the only way to decompose it. I don't see why you can't express a time-like vector as a sum of two time-like vectors if you wanted to.
 
Thanks! Got it!

Let me now answer the third part of the question:

For a given time-like vector, the two null vectors are not uniquely determined: what is the nature of the freedom in their choice?

The condition for the vectors ##T^{a}## and ##S^{a}## to be null is that ##T^{a}S_{a}>0##,

so either both vectors are future-pointing, or both are past-pointing.

Is this correct?
 
Yup, that seems right to me.
 

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