Can wavepackets be used to solve ODEs in Hilbert spaces?

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The discussion revolves around the use of wavepackets to solve ordinary differential equations (ODEs) in Hilbert spaces, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics and the properties of Hamiltonian operators. Participants explore theoretical approaches and mathematical formulations without reaching a consensus on the methods or implications.

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  • One participant suggests that wavepackets can be constructed to solve ODEs where the operator's domain allows for real solutions, referencing Kreyszig's Functional Analysis.
  • The same participant outlines a method involving the Hamiltonian operator and the energy eigenvalue equation, proposing a specific form for the wavepacket solution.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the interpretation of the book's content and proposes using plane waves as a generalized basis for solving the problem, emphasizing the need for square integrability.
  • A later reply questions whether the approach discussed is applicable only to linear Hermitian Hamiltonians, suggesting that non-linear Hamiltonians may require different methods due to their anharmonic nature.
  • Some participants assert that any Hilbert-space vector can be expanded with respect to any generalized basis, indicating that the choice of basis does not depend on the Hamiltonian itself.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of wavepackets and the nature of Hamiltonians, with no consensus reached on the best approach to solving the ODEs discussed.

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Participants mention specific mathematical forms and conditions for solutions, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and assumptions underlying the proposed methods.

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Hi, it was suggested previously on PF by others that a way to solve a ODE where the domain of the operator in Hilbert space allowed a real solution, is through the construction of wavepackets.

The conditions for real solutions are according to Kreyszig's Functional Analysis that E, in the following equation ( HY=EY), is in the resolvent set of the Hamiltonian operator.

I would like to ask for confirmation of that this is the right approach:

1. Having ##H\psi = E\psi##, one solves the equation with E treated as a constant first. One uses no initial conditions. The true form of the energy is ## E= \frac{h^2k^2}{8\pi^2m}## . The solution is here now called ##\eta(q)##

2. Following Kreyszig's book on this, I quote

"The solution ##\eta(q)## can now be used to represent any ##\psi \in L ^2(-\infty,+\infty)## as a wave packet in the form:

\begin{equation}
\psi(q) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \lim_{a\rightarrow \infty} \int_{-a}^{a}\phi(k)\eta(q)dk
\end{equation}

where\begin{equation}
\phi(k) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \lim_{a\rightarrow \infty} \int_{-a}^{a} \psi(q)\eta(q)dq
\end{equation}

Should this be exercised on the solution :

\begin{equation}
\eta(q) = e^{-2i\gamma q} + 3/4 + \frac{i\hbar}{2\gamma}
\end{equation}

How would the integral and thus the wavepacket look like? Based on what is in the book, I am not sure on what to make out of ##\phi(k)## and ##\psi(q)##, basically, how does one find these two auxiliary functions?

Hope this question was clear

Thanks
 
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I've no clue what you book wants to tell me.

The most simple way to solve this problem along the line that might be what's explained in your book is to use plane waves, i.e., momentum eigenstates as a generalized basis (in the Heisenberg picture using natural units with ##\hbar=1##):
$$u_{\vec{p}}(t,\vec{x})=\langle \vec{x}|\vec{p},t \rangle=\frac{1}{(2 \pi)^{3/2}} \exp \left (-\frac{\mathrm{i} \vec{p}^2}{2m} t + \mathrm{i} \vec{p} \cdot \vec{x} \right ).$$
Then the general wave function, representing a pure state of a free particle, is given by a wave packet, i.e., it must be square integrable:
$$\psi(t,\vec{x})=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{p} u_{\vec{p}}(t,\vec{x}) \tilde{\psi}(\vec{p}),$$
where ##\tilde{\psi}(\vec{p})## is an arbitrary square-integrable function (normalized conveniently to 1, because then also the wave packet is normalized to 1).
 
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Thanks this was indeed very useful! I will use it further with my reading here. Thanks van Hees
 
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Then the general wave function, representing a pure state of a free particle, is given by a wave packet, i.e., it must be square integrable:
$$\psi(t,\vec{x})=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{p} u_{\vec{p}}(t,\vec{x}) \tilde{\psi}(\vec{p}),$$
where ##\tilde{\psi}(\vec{p})## is an arbitrary square-integrable function (normalized conveniently to 1, because then also the wave packet is normalized to 1).

Does this only work for linear Hermitian Hamiltonians? I have the feeling a non-linear Hamltonian needs a different approach, because the wave is not harmonic as the linear wave is, and is rather anharmonic. Or am I mistaking?
 
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You can expand any Hilbert-space vector with respect to any (generalized) basis you like, e.g., with respect to the momentum eigenbasis. This is independent of the Hamiltonian. Whether the choice of the basis is a good one in the sense to solve the eigenvalue problem for the Hamiltonian (stationary states) or the time evolution of the system is another question.
 
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vanhees71 said:
You can expand any Hilbert-space vector with respect to any (generalized) basis you like, e.g., with respect to the momentum eigenbasis. This is independent of the Hamiltonian. Whether the choice of the basis is a good one in the sense to solve the eigenvalue problem for the Hamiltonian (stationary states) or the time evolution of the system is another question.

Thanks van Hees!
 

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